Hype Pod - The Hype Network Podcast

Ps Adam: I mean, we just had the
best, um, hype membership call.

Yeah.

Oh, cool.

We do a monthly mentoring call, right?

And group calls, and Vance
does a month, I do a month.

And this month, we just had it today.

And the feedback from
FloCon was off the charts.

Okay, well, let's just

Arun: jump right into it then, actually.

Okay.

Because I wanted to ask you about FloCon.

Yeah, FloCon.

So first off, I just wanted
to welcome back Katrina.

Katrina.

Hey.

Welcome back.

Like a guest.

Like a guest.

Yeah, now you're a special guest.

It's an honor to have you on the pod.

I feel like my voice is

Katrina: really hot.

Is it too loud in your mind?

No?

No, that's just normal.

Okay, it's just

Ps Adam: me.

Yeah.

Katrina: Funny story, while I'm back
and you're in this moment about me,

we joke about how Pastor Adam and
my son actually have a text thread.

Ps Adam: Oh,

Katrina: that's cool.

He's nine, and asks
great questions like, He

Ps Adam: does.

Katrina: Does Jesus go to every
church every Sunday, right?

And then if I answer it, he's like,
let me see what Uncle Adam would say.

Ps Adam: So Leo's a champ and
he got a, uh, Apple watch and

he's like, I can text from this.

I'm like, well, text me.

Yeah.

And he does.

Yeah.

But it's, it's not just like, sometimes
it'll be like, hi, how's your day?

I love it.

Uh, but then he'll ask
me some deep questions.

A little topical question.

Yeah, it's great.

Katrina: But we'll joke because.

Pastor Adam will quickly get
back to Leo, not always to me.

Arun: I'm as expected,
I don't feel like it.

I see, I see a text from Katrina
like, oh not now, not now.

She starts texting from Leo's
phone, she's like, so I'm

Ps Adam: It's so good.

It's operational stuff.

Um, but FloCon.

Yeah, FloCon, please tell us.

FloCon was incredible.

Obviously it was a beta conference,
a beta test for a innovation

technology faith conference.

And, um, I think it far exceeded
our greatest expectations.

The, the turnout was awesome.

Our, our kind of our faith
figure was, What if we get

200 entrepreneurs in the room?

We end up with 350 over
350 people came out.

The only negative feedback I
got was it wasn't long enough,

which is not really negative.

It's kind of positive.

Um, and we learn a lot.

I think we had great voices on the
panels, the sessions, um, the, The real

innovative elements that were added in
with, you know, the vision pro, the,

uh, cyber truck, all the different cool
factors that we had and the networking.

I've been talking to people who, um,
either got confirmation or an idea after

talking to one of the panelists, um,
people got some one on one mentoring

out of that and, uh, someone found
their, their co founder that they're

going to start the company with.

So there's that kind of feedback
that was so good and so special.

And just today on the
membership call to hear.

Uh, just how much our, our
hype members got out of it.

Uh, cause a lot of them, you
know, they're on a monthly call

together, but they haven't been
together with each other in person.

So to meet people, we had a beautiful
special lunch for all the hype members.

That was really cool as well.

And yeah, I think from start to
finish, it was a huge success.

So we're gonna do it next year.

And, uh, we're going to scale it.

I think this time we'll open up
to a thousand people and longer.

Yeah, we'll probably
do a little bit longer.

You know, there's, there's a few things
that I want to add, add in, you know, I

really felt, uh, the Holy spirit speaking
to me about a commissioning moment, you

know, where we lay hands on founders
and pray because, you know, in business,

there is a lot of obstacles you have to
overcome a lot of practical obstacles,

but then there's some times you feel
like you hit a wall and you're like, you

know, I'm Hang on, is this spiritual?

Yeah.

Is this demonic?

Mm hmm.

Is this, is this something more than
a natural, you know, opposition?

I'm just feeling like
there's a spiritual thing.

So to have a, a prayer moment where
we kind of really break through,

I think it'd be just powerful.

Yeah.

Katrina: That's so good.

That's awesome.

I don't think any, I don't think,
I think it's more common that

we don't stop and say that.

Right.

I mean, so the fact that you'd make
a moment out of that is really great.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Oh, for sure.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: Um, but in between then.

We're going to have Amen Experience, which
is going to be another great injection.

Oh, next level, the art of Amen.

In fact, we're going to have 25 different
competing sessions where, you know, we're

going to have, uh, I don't know if I
can share, but we're going to have like

Things like the art of digital currency
while there's the art of fire, which is

going to be, you know, a live cooking
session from my friend from London.

Who's a, yeah, he's a chef
MJ and he's from Madrid.

He cooks everything with fire.

Yeah.

And, um, he did a 16 course
digger station for us.

One time we were there and everything
he cooked live in front of us with fire.

And he talked through what the flames,
the heat, the radiation is doing and

how it's, but it was unbelievable.

I said, bro, you could do that.

Amen.

Conference.

And then I've got a
friend up in Napa Valley.

He's going to do the art of wine
and, uh, you're gonna have to be 21

to be in that session, but you know,
they're, we're doing the art of dance.

We, Really taking all elements
of creativity, innovation, faith,

and we're just bringing artists.

Oh,

Arun: I really love that And
actually on that topic you were

just in frankfurt and london.

Yes, I would love for you to
talk about Oh, you wanna know?

Ps Adam: Frankfurt was epic.

Our first ever thing we've done.

We did an interest night.

And we had over 200 people
come to an interest night.

Now you're just shaking your
head like that's nothing.

But, but Arun, you gotta understand.

A mega church in Germany is 300.

That's like a big, big church.

And we had 200 people come
out to an interest night.

It was off the charts.

Um, and not only that,
this is really special.

We had, uh, six people
give their life to Christ.

Wow.

So interest night.

I An interest night.

Yeah.

Because we had it at a
amazing co-working space.

So Good.

And this co-working space is Epic.

Very, uh, right in the, kinda
like the startup entrepreneurial

community, uh, of Frankfurt.

And, um, as we were setting up,
'cause they, you know, the co-working

kind of stops at 6:00 PM our
events started at seven mm-Hmm.

But we got a little earlier to set up.

We had people coming off
the street to buy our merch.

They're looking through the window
and they're like, Oh, that looks epic.

They came in and bought, one guy
wanted to buy out the whole lot.

And we said, no, no, no,
we need it for the event.

Um, but a few coworkers, like people
who were working there, uh, about 12 of

them were just watching and they were
asking like, what, what's going on?

We told them it's an interest night
for church that we're starting up.

And they said, can we stay?

And we're like, yeah, of course, sure.

We had a Q and a moment.

And in the Q& A moment, this one,
and we're just asking questions

about the kind of church we're going
to be and all that kind of stuff.

She asked this question, because I
was, you know, as I was praying, I

said, Jesus, we love you, we thank you.

She asked, hey, you mentioned you
love Jesus, but who's Jesus love?

And I said, wow, that's
an interesting question.

What's your, what's your background?

Are you a church person?

And she's like, not necessarily.

I'm just, just interested
in who Jesus loves.

Mm hmm.

In the moment, all I could think
of was the scripture that there

is no greater love than one laying
their life down for a friend.

And because Jesus went to the cross,
for us, we know that He loves us.

And then I just looked her
in the eyes across the room

and I said, Jesus loves you.

And then we went to the next question,
but as we kept on talking about the

church, I just felt the Holy Spirit
say, Hey, do an altar call, which

was weird because there was no music.

It wasn't a setting.

It wasn't preaching.

We're just giving information about
the kind of church that we are.

But then just didn't, And
six people raised their hand.

We brought them at the front.

They came down the front to where
we were sitting and talking, and

then they turned around and faced
everybody else because they don't know.

So that's fine.

I kind of, you know, went with it.

I jumped around and, but it was
great because everyone in the

room got to experience what I
see every Sunday, which is them

having a moment with God and tears.

And you know, if that's
the start, That's epic.

Yeah, if that's the first
thing we've done in frankfurt.

I'm telling you we're
gonna see revival in this

Arun: church Can you explain a little bit
more about what these interest nights are?

Is it just to get people to join
the church or now do people come in?

And are they a part of an early team?

As part of the church.

Ps Adam: Yeah, that's
such a great question.

We we're ultimately setting
our first I mean, because we're

putting things out on social media.

There's a lot of chatter, a lot
of people interested, but we

want to do it an interest night.

Hey, this, are you still interested
after we tell you about the church?

You know, cause you could be interested
in the kind of ministry, but we're

actually trying to get out of that
200 people, probably the 30 or 40

key people that want to be on the
team after we do a hard anti sell.

And it's literally an anti sell, because
there's so much you can see about

Vive Church already from social media.

But I'll say things like, hey,
I just want to warn you, there

are cheaper churches to go to.

Because here we believe in giving.

Here we believe in sacrifice.

We believe that your resources
can build the kingdom of God.

And there are churches that
will not ask you to give, that

do not believe in the tithe.

We do.

So if that's a, if that's hard for
you, I'm going to just encourage

you, you're not going to love this.

Because we're going to be
talking about money a lot.

But, and so we give it up front.

Now that's going to weed
out a lot of people.

But then those who are like, Oh
no, that's the kind of church.

I want to be challenged in my finances.

I want to be grown in that area.

Well, we know we're getting the
right people to be on the startup

team because that's a hardcore team.

Yeah.

That core team.

I mean, you've been there,
you know, bumping in, setting

up all that kind of stuff.

And from here, we go from a worship night,
sorry, interest not to a worship night.

And, uh, we've live worship.

We, you know, really go for that.

And then we start to do a cadence of,
uh, team services as we build the team.

Arun: Got it.

And so these people that are.

Would they join the worship night
or would they be part of like

setting up the worship night?

So

Ps Adam: people who who jump on the team
from now they start to get roles So we've

currently got about 25 people on the
team leading into the interest night.

That's awesome Um, we'll probably
end up with over 50 now from from

the interest night and then uh, we'll
hold a worship night At the end of the

worship night, if you're interested
in being part of the church, you

know, you can, and we actually take
an application to be part of the team.

Okay.

Yeah, so we, we'll put them through
an interview, we'll see kind of

where they're at, and some people
will be like, hey, you know what, I

don't think you're ready to be on the
team, but come back when we launch.

Right, right.

We'll come back to an
interest, uh, worship night.

Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.

Katrina: How would you compare this to,
uh, If you could this interest night

to the one in London because that was
really great the way Awesome as well.

Ps Adam: Uh, this one was better.

Yeah, uh, because we're learning each
time every time we're doing it We're

learning, you know, what's the language?

I was nervous because in London
everyone speaks english Yeah, uh, and

we had planned to go into this night
with a translation that I would kind

of like we did in italy but All week
leading into it everyone I spoke to

in frankfurt spoke english And then
Everyone I was speaking to on the

night speaks English, varying degrees,
but you know, at least understands.

So before we did anything, we just
asked, does anybody need translation?

And not any, but no one in the
place needed translation out of over

200 people, which reminds me that.

One, as a global society, we're getting
more global, and two, it's a very

intelligent community there in Frankfurt.

Uh, especially Frankfurt being so
financial, and there's a lot of,

uh, representation from world banks
and different things like that.

It was definitely, it's probably not
the norm out in the regional areas of

Germany, but definitely in Frankfurt.

Katrina: Are we gonna Do we need
to bring a hype session out there?

Ps Adam: A hundred percent.

At

Katrina: Flowcon we
had people from Zurich.

And, um, somebody just
out here from Spain.

And they're, every time someone's
like, When are you coming to Europe?

No, Frankfurt has

Ps Adam: got a huge startup community.

In fact, I'm trying to make
a meeting with the mayor.

Uh, or the, how do you say it in German?

Something Meister.

But he, uh, he is very focused
on the startup cat, uh, kind

of culture of Frankfurt.

Um, so we're trying to
get a meeting together.

Arun: It's maybe Fintech.

Fintech?

Okay.

Ps Adam: Yeah, it really dialed into
Fintech because it's the finance capital.

You've got, you know, the,
uh, European bank there.

You've got so many key, every
bank, I would say, uh, big bank

has a representation there.

Um, and so there is a lot of technology
that goes with, you know, finance.

And so there's a big push on Fintech.

Um, but I think any innovation, you
know, society, you're going to get

a lot of creativity and different
products that come out of it.

A lot of digital currency stuff.

Arun: Definitely.

And I think it's interesting because
I feel like being in California

my whole life, I live in kind of a
bubble, but it's nice that we are a

global church and you get to interact
with so many different cultures and

just learn how they kind of do stuff.

And,

Ps Adam: and by the way, they all
look up to the Silicon Valley.

That's what's, that's what blows my mind
is how much they look up to where we

are and the companies and the culture
that's coming out of the Silicon Valley.

And, um, you know, you could
talk about Sand Hill Road.

They know about it.

Wow.

They know about, you know, all these kinds
of locations and, and stuff like that.

So that's kind of fun.

Yeah, that's awesome.

Um, but yeah, I'm definitely
excited to do a hype session there.

Yeah.

And I think if you don't travel to
these places, it'd be worth coming.

Arun: Yeah,

Ps Adam: it should be worth coming to go.

I want to just get around innovation
and tech talk in a different

culture and a different setting.

Arun: I think that's very important.

Ps Adam: Very important.

It really broadens your perspective.

Sure.

Arun: Yeah.

Cause we think one way, but there's
so many different ways to approach the

problem and I think you'll learn that
by being around different cultures.

Well I think

Katrina: with what we're doing
specifically with hype, I mean, I

heard it again and again at Flowcon.

Every time we bridged faith and
innovation in the conversation or in

the session or just the event itself.

Ps Adam: There

Katrina: was always somebody who
said, I've been praying for this.

I didn't know that

Ps Adam: this

Katrina: could exist.

Um, so I love that that'll
be a part of, um, Frankfurt.

That's gonna be really cool.

For sure.

Yeah.

All

Arun: right.

Well, just before we move on to this,
I wanted to, so I thought it was going

to be just me and Pastor Adam today.

So a lot of the topics I
have were very unhinged.

So, but before we do that, because I
heard you guys chatting before this, Is

there anything that came out of Flowcon
for, from Hype as like a umbrella kind

of topic that you guys want to do for
the future that you guys are brewing?

That we can talk about.

I don't know if we can talk about it.

Katrina: Like a topic?

Arun: Not a topic, but like
things you want to advance within

Hype, Hype Network, Hype Family.

Katrina: Oh my gosh.

Um, that's such a big question.

Loaded question.

There's so much out of it.

Arun: You're always thinking,
so I thought there might be some

Katrina: I mean, one of the things
I'm really excited about that we're

going to be doing in this next month
is something called Network Nights.

I think one of the things that
we saw at Flowcon, as well as You

know, Amen experience and every time
we've brought hype together is that

there's such an exciting, I don't
know, it's electric when people start

to network in a kingdom setting.

And so, um, in the break between
the double header hype sessions,

it was electric in the room.

Literally there was no, it wasn't quiet.

It was roaring in the room.

Everybody turned around
and there was movement.

People were looking for people to
connect with and it was open handed.

It was, you know what I mean?

It wasn't.

And there were some people praying.

So, um, Yeah.

Looking at that, what's what's
making me really excited is not just

cultivating these awesome, large hype
session experiences, but some of the

concentrated experiences as well.

So we're going to be launching something
that's for founders and see you like a,

a network night that with curated dinner,
fun experience with like a nice, Um,

you know, chef, chef inspired dinner and
wine pairing and everything like that.

So it'll be really cool.

So that way you know
who's going to be there.

You'll be with the hype founders.

You'll be with other CEOs and
founders who are kingdom minded

and scaling with values in mind.

And, um, to be able to connect
with that concentrated group

is going to be really cool.

So I'm excited about that.

That's one of the things
that we've got on our list.

Arun: That's cool.

And I just want to say,
she's being very humble.

There's a lot of cool stuff happening.

I know there's like stuff you
can't talk about yet, but Um,

pretty excited for what's coming.

You're trying to get

Ps Adam: it out of us.

I am really

Arun: trying to get it out.

I don't want to be the one to
leak anything but I'm trying

to get it out of you guys.

I'm

Katrina: trying to over deliver.

Yes.

Arun: So before we get started,
I just wanted to ask you Pastor,

how Australian are you really?

Because the next segment is It will
only make sense if you're still,

really, truly still Australian.

So I gotta talk about Kate Kate Gate.

Have you heard about this?

I have heard about Kate Gate.

Okay, cool.

So, Kate Middleton.

Yes.

Um, so, this is what I heard.

Not Kate Winslet.

Not Kate Winslet.

Okay.

Apparently she's gone missing
and like the royal family.

So here we don't, I mean, in
America, I don't know how much people

really care about the royal family.

You don't care and you don't get it.

But in Australia, they love the royal
family, like absolutely adore them.

And so, um, Kate and

Ps Adam: I it makes us

Arun: feel better about ourselves.

Can you, can you explain it?

Can you explain what the obsession is?

I don't,

Ps Adam: I don't exactly know
how to explain it because

we were rejected by the UK.

You know, technically at the foundation
of our country, we're convicts,

we're prisoners, we were sent to
the concentration camp of Australia

and, uh, left to fend for ourselves.

Um, but, you know, I think so
much of being in the monarchy, the

Commonwealth, uh, that was what we
grew up with, um, Princess Diana

and all the drama around that.

And, uh, that was the original
celebrities for Australia.

And so just, I think the
beautiful thing about the royal

family is there is tradition.

I think at our core, you know, even
if you're progressive, it is really

good to have some traditional things
that are opulent and excellent that,

uh, make no sense, but it's inspiring.

And uh, I think it, it lifts
the dream, the imagination.

And so when Kate goes missing, you
know, there's conspiracy come out.

Why haven't we seen her?

Yeah.

I'm not

Katrina: caught up.

Okay.

So I just, I've, I've seen the Photoshop.

Like debacle.

So you've seen some of that.

I've only seen that.

Okay.

Yeah,

Arun: so

Ps Adam: well they

Arun: photoshopped her Yeah, okay.

So the way that the royal family, this
is my American understanding of the

royal family and how it works So I
remember when Princess Diana, you know,

she passed there was a whole conspiracy
theory around it like how it really

happened No one really knows and you were
in Australia at the time at that point

Was the conspiracies kind of railing?

There was a kind of the tabloids were big.

Yeah.

From the first moment.

Okay.

Yeah.

So, yeah.

So the same kind of thing is happening.

There's this idea that, you know, she
went to get an apodectomy, I think,

since then she's kind of just been
falling off the face of the earth.

Like nobody really knows there's
some sightings, but they're

all very blurry pictures.

There's a Photoshop images that are coming
out with her and her family, but you

know, the internet sleuths are out there.

They found like the matching image from a.

Previous photo.

Yeah, and so um, it's just crazy
because the princess diana step was

when technology wasn't at its greatest.

It was like Getting
information was much harder.

So maybe if it was a conspiracy,
it's much easier to get away with.

But now it's interesting because there's
just so much information out there.

Everybody has a camera phone.

Everybody has the ability to, you
know, pass this information around.

How could they really keep her
away from the public eye this long?

And the only images we have
are blurry images of her.

Yeah, very, very.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: I think my conspiracy
theory, uh, goes to the fact

that, um, I think she is fine.

I think she is not in the public
eye, but just to keep up because

it's a machine, the Royal family
now is a machine and, uh, sightings.

And I think maybe someone thought,
Hey, we can just put a picture

together just to Suffice the public,
but they, they caught him out.

Arun: Oh yeah.

They caught him quick.

And this is going to be
the future now, right?

Like where all these doctored
images or doctored videos are

going to be coming out with AI.

It's going to make it incredibly easy.

But

Ps Adam: AI is coming out with
images, but AI can detect AI images.

Right,

Arun: right, right, right.

So

Ps Adam: as quick as they come
out with false images, there is

AI machines that can determine
whether they're false or real.

Arun: But then now there's, there's,
to mask that, which is getting

Ps Adam: right.

So it's like, it's just like one,

Arun: it's just one upping.

It's really interesting because
like, um, we've been talking about

AI on this podcast for a long
time, all the investments in AI.

Um, it's just really interesting
to see where the media is

going to go with this as well.

Um, and like, you know, TMZ and
all that kind of stuff, because

now media outlets can just.

grow on this hype by just
producing more content.

They don't need any, cause you always
have this unnamed source, right?

That gives you some piece of information.

It doesn't have to be credible, but just
enough to generate a little bit of hype.

Now they are the unnamed source.

They can get all these kinds of images.

Ship it out and then say,
it's just enough, right?

Ps Adam: Yeah, and it doesn't
seem like there's a lot of

like, uh, accountability, right?

Like they can create a
scandal out of nothing.

Out of nothing, yeah.

You could text a video and you could
create a, hey, give me a picture of a

royal family, you know, on a yacht here,
you know, and I'm sure AI can generate

that as a video, not just a photo.

Yeah.

Which is way more believable.

Way more believable.

And, uh, yeah, they, I think there
needs to be certainly, I think it's also

you're writing your own, uh, uh, eulogy.

If you do that as a, as a, uh, media
company, because after a while, you're

going to become so unbelievable that
it's the boy who cried Wolf, right?

That if you generate enough images,
that turns out to be AI scams that

you have put forward without any
legitimacy, you're going to actually

neutralize and inoculate yourself to
being any believable source there is.

But

Arun: do you think that's true though?

Cause there's always been
tabloids that have kind of.

Yeah, but there's been

Ps Adam: no way of verifying it, right?

Oh, I see what you're saying.

So now that with the verification, that
even if they thought it was real, but they

don't verify it, and it turns out to be
an AI generated, there's no sub, there's

nothing substantial behind the article.

So say, you know, they say an image
about the royal family or whatever it

is, but then the royal family come out
with no proof that we were actually here.

Oh, you guys just believed
a false document or article.

I think you're actually
losing credibility.

Mm hmm.

Mainstream media is already on thin ice.

Let's be honest.

I mean, I don't know who is
still watching mainstream media.

I'm certainly not.

You're not.

Um, we're, we're watching
much reliable sources like X.

Arun: You joke, but it's true.

Ps Adam: It is.

Um, and, uh, someone sent me an
Apple News article the other day.

I thought, that's cool.

Someone's still, still
saying true to Apple News.

Um, but, you know, I think, I think,
They're already on thin ice, so maybe

they're just, you know, throwing
haymakers here, trying to find some

Something to engage an audience with.

Yeah,

Arun: I think the best part
about X is the community notes.

When people get exposed.

So people will post on Twitter and they'll
like, I like those community notes.

Absolutely savage.

We'll just expose them immediately.

Straight up.

I'll call them out.

No, there

Ps Adam: won't actually be.

It's amazing.

But that's a healthy way to do fact
checking is the community notes.

Um, I, I, I kind of want a disclaimer
because, um, you know, the, the

thing that is just crazy is comment
section, um, on every post, but yeah,

the community notes, I'm here for it.

Arun: Yeah.

I have to tell you guys a story.

Um, so just recently I was a part of a.

Crypto scam.

I know.

No, you got done.

So I'm not gonna say it.

So I want to make sure I know there's
a lot of people out there that may

be new to crypto and they think, you
know, this place is just full of scams.

There are scams for sure.

I'm not a victim.

So let me just let me just
explain to you how it happened.

Disclaimer.

I am a victor.

I was voluntarily choosing
to be in this space.

So I'm not a victim.

Okay, so no, no pity for this.

But, um, I'll explain what it is and
then I'll let you guys know the story.

It was a, it was a rug really.

So really what this is a rug full.

So the way this works is there's
this thing called token presale.

So people can just come build tokens.

And the idea is the earlier you
on, you are in on a project,

there's higher risk, right?

So high reward, high reward.

Exactly.

And so.

The reason is you take this gamble because
if I can get in early and it is kind of,

you know, a project that works out, you're
going to be able to make the rewards.

So you do put your feelers out there.

And I've been in this space since 2017.

I've been a product.

You're a product.

I've been rugged a lot.

So I'm a pro at that.

I haven't been scammed a lot.

And what a rug means is that you,
you know, you give your money

or you give your tokens to this.

And then they just bounce.

They take your stuff and leave.

They don't give you anything back.

So that's what I was a part of.

And it was interesting how this one
happened because there's these, um, so

key opinion leaders is the people on X.

When you're kind of
following these people.

Within a crypto community,
it's very decentralized.

And the thing that you trust in is
really the community around it, right?

So you have these people that
you trust, and if they believe in

it, you can say, I believe in it.

And that's where that
trust factor comes in.

And so this project had a lot of retweets
on X by a lot of key opinion leaders.

And this person that was.

Doing the project was a
builder for years on this part.

So like he was in it,
he was doing hard work.

He wasn't like a influencer, like,
uh, Kim Kardashian was promoting it.

I have no idea what's going on.

It was a builder of the project.

So you had this trust.

Um, and so they made away with
300, 000 of community money.

But that's like a drop in the bucket
of what like crypto money really is.

And it really just made no sense
as to why this person did that.

Because he's now out of the community.

He's now shunned.

And the way it works is to get your money
out of crypto, you have to go through

a centralized exchange like Coinbase.

And when you go through Coinbase,
they already know who you are.

It's called KYC.

Yep.

So they know your customers.

They have all his data.

So they're able to freeze his funds
without letting him pull it out.

Oh, so that was a foolish move.

And absolutely.

And he should know this, right?

And so it's very interesting to
see What turned somebody like

that because he was in the space.

He was a big builder.

What do you think it is?

I mean, you got rugged.

I got rugged.

So, so we're still trying.

We've been talking
about it for a few days.

Like what would turn this?

He could have made way more money
just being in the space, building,

Ps Adam: yeah, doing

Arun: it the right way.

But at some point, you know,
the power got to him or the

power or the money or the greed.

And then I think about it from the
reverse, because the only reason I

got into the project Was the greed of
being able to make quick money too.

So it's like two sides of the problem.

So It's just interesting to think about
why these people, you know, even like

a charismatic We call them charismatic
leaders in this case Because that's

what you have to be to be on twitter
and like kind of promote these things

But why would they turn like that?

Ps Adam: You know, I think that the
uh, uh, there's probably a much deeper

revelation in there, but I think uh at
the core Um, there is what's true is

there is no such thing as fast money
There's no such thing as quick money and

the crypto world Let's be honest is a
risky world that has I think so volatile

because of the pump and dups the rug
pulls These there's so much industry,

uh hurt however Investors seem unharmed
because you're like, oh i'm i'm smarter

now, but oh there goes another rug Um,
and you know, I think what we're seeing

even with bitcoin and and the rise I've
literally been trying to pattern this out

I'm trying to look at you know over the
last five years We see that every spring

quarter there is a huge acceleration and
then there's a drop And so I think if

that pattern continues you got to look
at what is happening with investors to

Get increases and then pull their money.

It's like a it definitely like a
nervous child who's excited i've got

this But then it's too much too much
I'm gonna pull and I don't want to

be the last one to pull my money out.

And so you've got this such a volatile
market um that really you have to You

Play the safe long game, you know,
you have to be a little bit risky.

I think even investing in cryptocurrency
is pretty risky just in and of itself.

But can I get the most reputable?

Coins and not look for a quick.

Yeah, make my dreams happen.

Yeah, you know, uh thing because I
think Unless it's a level of money

that you really don't care about.

Yeah Um, which I don't know what
that is for everybody for me.

It's very low because I care about all
my money but I think You've got to go

in with eyes wide open like I could get
rugged and uh, what motivates somebody

I think it's just that yeah, I think
they've reverse engineered it instead of

me being the one to invest In, in a coin,
let me be the one that people invest in.

Yeah.

But maybe my, my, my
profile is a fake profile.

Arun: Yeah, they're
capitalizing on that human.

It's almost like if you understand
people and you understand how to

read like how human psychology really
works, you can do a lot of this stuff.

GameStop.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

The whole GameStop was a social engine.

It wasn't a product quality.

It wasn't the fact that GameStop,
you know, is such a great

industry leader and product.

It was sentiment, you know,
cause we grew up with GameStop.

It was such a familiar place to
everybody in that millennial generation.

We knew GameStop, we'd go there,
we'd buy games, we'd trade

games, all that kind of stuff.

So to know the entity, but
then to put it, stick it to the

man and to change the system.

Many people lost out big.

They gained their gains but because of the
sentiment, social engineering of hold on,

they lost all the money that they gained.

And there are still people
holding their game, stop, stop,

just hoping for the resurgence.

And everybody's got different motivation.

Because in there, there are people
who are true to the cause, and then

people who are like, uh, I'm just
gonna I'm just gonna get my gains.

Yeah, but

Arun: talk about the
power of community there.

Yes.

The power of, I mean, for good
or bad, the power of having

something to really come around.

Yeah.

And it's still such a simple thing
as diamond hands, hodl, like just

terms that they can just hold on
to and say, I'm a part of this.

And it really was like, it's nice to make
the money, but I think there was something

more about I'm a part of this community
and we're all doing this together.

Yes.

These online entities
I've never met before.

Yeah.

Um, but it's a powerful thing.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: That's, that's the thing.

Um, Yeah, I think this guy
should be definitely banned.

I think anybody who does any scheme
But I think we we're just gullible too.

Yeah, I think we want to believe when
it comes to it's actually easy to sell a

scam I think because You're appealing to
an audience that are hoping So the fact

that you present this new coin, and if
everyone gets in early, you're actually

appealing to people who are already
looking for something to invest in.

You're not trying to convince
somebody who's a non investor

to part with their money.

You've got someone who's
willing to give away money.

And if it can just look like it's, it's
an opportunity, this is where Pyramid

Selling Scheme works, this is where, and
everyone says, I wouldn't be scammed.

But people are clever.

Um, they have literally used
orphanages to scam people and

different things like that.

I think this one is, he's played a semi
long game to build up a, you know, a,

uh, credibility within the community.

Right.

Um, so I would be definitely looking
for a new credibility factor.

Arun: Yeah.

You know what I'm saying?

No, definitely.

And I think the thing I was, um,
thinking about as well is like, he

might've been playing the long game,
but what if, you know, you just

don't know with these leaders, right?

Like you could trust them.

for a long time, but something could
have changed in their life that caused

them to switch their motivations, right?

Maybe he needed the money quick.

Maybe he made another deal somewhere else.

And then you've got to, I think there's,
there's a level of discernment that we

get by being, you know, in the faith
space that we need to use as followers.

I think so.

Process the loss?

Like

Katrina: you were like, oh man, he
needed I was gonna you've got a narrative

going, that he's filled narrative

Ps Adam: lines here.

Is that your way of I've
gotta think about it,

Arun: yeah.

Ps Adam: That's how I
explain it to my wife.

You're so empathetic.

You know, Jesus actually says,
uh, puts it this way, um, they

didn't take my life, I gave it.

And I love that position and that no one
could take from me what I've already given

away And I think that in life whether
you've been cheated in a crypto scam or

you've been robbed in a relationship or
something like that I think if you live

with an open handed perspective that
i'm going to give things away It takes a

lot of the sting out of someone stealing
something from you That's good because

you know you get your wallet stolen
and you're gonna Go through the trouble

of getting everything like maybe they
took some cash that was in there You It

hurts, really hurts when it's stolen.

You feel robbed.

Yeah.

But I'll give away more money
than gets stolen from me.

But the fact that I gave it, Yeah.

Actually changes the
dynamic of the feeling.

Yeah.

Goes from, you know, either
stinging or actually joy.

Yeah.

And so I love that Jesus said,
no one took my life, I gave it.

I laid it down.

Katrina: Yeah.

It was

Ps Adam: a joyful moment.

Yeah, sorry.

Katrina: No, I was going to say, do you
think there needs to be, uh, a refinement

of understanding the difference between
faith and fate here, you know, because I

think you just said those of us who are
in the faith space, like it's a little

bit easier to, you know what I mean?

Like how we understand things.

But you're touching on so many things
around like relationship, you didn't

have a relationship to the guy.

And so you're trying to
like make a narrative.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Katrina: But I know that we, I don't
know, I think about that, how we

approach things, whether it's in
that space of crypto or even in who

are following, you know, whatever.

And I think we often make I
don't know speculation based

on what we think is faith.

I mean, you know what I mean?

I feel like a lot of Christians if
I should say that it like they're

easy to scam You know, I mean because

Ps Adam: cuz they're already
in a believing position.

That's what I was saying Like
yeah, you were already in a

position to give away money.

Give away money, but risk money
You had a you had a risk budget

that you were willing to invest and
you're pretty risky already So, you

know In that realm, you're pretty a
high candidate for getting scammed.

Uh, as opposed to the person who puts
their money under a mattress because they

don't even believe in the bank account.

You know what I mean?

Like, on the scale, you're
already right up at the potential,

you know, rug pulley guy.

Yeah, dang.

But I love that you're
creating a narrative.

To support, to make it easier.

He really needed the money.

He really needed some help.

He got scammed.

He got a changing character.

So he scammed you.

Right.

So now you've got to scam somebody.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: Is that how the line goes?

No, that is not how that works.

That

Arun: is not how that works.

I would just think about like
that, like you can't just

blindly trust anybody, right?

Even if trustable, I think it
was what I was trying to get at.

But I don't know if that's
just like a very cynical way of

thinking about a little cynical.

Yeah, I don't, I don't want to get there.

But it was like.

Does that discernment always have
to be there, even if it's from

somebody that you once used to trust?

Ps Adam: I think you need to discern.

Uh, discernment is learned.

So now that you've been scammed,
you're deeper in your discernment.

Yeah.

So discernment is not like a natural gift.

I think, I think, um, you know,
ignorance is sometimes natural because

if you've never been hurt before,
uh, you've got no reason to flinch.

But the fact that maybe you've been hit.

causes a flinch or causes you
to have enough distance to not

be within reach of the hit.

And I think that's how you develop a
discernment, whether it's investing,

finding your partner, you want to
learn the language of a betrayal.

So when you know the language
of a betrayer, I know that tone.

And that's where discernment comes in.

I think at the same time, you want
to be able to, uh, have a healthy

faith that you don't, you're not
so skeptical that, you know, you

don't actually, uh, trust or try.

Yeah.

Arun: Yeah.

You have to have trust.

Ps Adam: You have to have trust.

I always lean in trust more than
clarity, um, in different situations.

Uh, when it comes to God, definitely,
I'm not looking for clarity all the time.

Cause I know that doesn't come.

I trust in God.

Uh, cause God, when God
calls you, it's ambiguous.

He does, you know, when you,
when God called Abraham, he

just said, Abraham, uh, go.

Leave your family, leave your country,
and go to a place I will show you.

And Abraham wasn't like, okay,
cool, where is that place?

And then, no, it was
like, I just gotta leave.

And on the going, God shows.

So there's a lot of
ambiguity in trusting God.

If you're waiting for clarity, Guess what?

You're gonna be waiting a long time.

Arun: Yeah, that's true.

And on the topic of waiting for
clarity, humanoid robots, Katrina, you

were, you, you shipped us some videos.

I'm very excited.

You sound scared.

Me and Pastor Adam were very excited.

We were pumped.

We were pumped.

Yeah, I'm ready for our humanoid
assistant to come in, change the cameras.

I've seen lots of

Katrina: episodes of Westworld.

Westworld.

Ps Adam: I think what I'm excited, yeah,
you're right, but I think I'm excited

because, um, Because it's a robot,
I'll have no problem giving it demands.

Yeah.

But even with my staff members, I'm, I'm,
I'm probably really bad in the employee

because I don't give staff members enough.

Or what I could potentially give them.

Katrina: Task out.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I know people

Ps Adam: who work underneath
me give more tasks than I do.

Because I'm always managing
people's level, what I'm asking.

Can I just do that myself?

All that kind of stuff.

But with a robot, I'll be
like, I need a sweet tea.

Come on.

Wait, can you touch

Arun: on that?

Because you've, you've chatted
about being a challenger.

Yeah.

So it feels like you would be, I
mean, I've never been tasked, you

know, directly by you, but maybe,

Ps Adam: you know, I just know that some
people will give menial tasks, no problem.

Um, but I just don't do that.

Okay.

I think I challenge people and I give
them robust tasks, but not menial tasks.

Got it.

Got it.

Um, I just think menial
tasks are belittling.

Yeah.

And, uh, I'm treating you more like a
servant than an employee, and it just

goes against who I am, so I'd rather go
and grab my own thing and, and order my

own lunch and all that kind of stuff.

So even when I've had assistants,
I don't have an assistant, uh, any

longer, cause even when I had an
assistant, I had a hard time, like,

having them book a flight for me.

Right, right.

Cause I'd, they'd be like,
hey, should I book that flight?

I'm like, I already did it.

Because I don't think menial tasks,
Uh, what I want to hire for personally,

I want to hire for major loads, and I
want to give people a whole department,

and I want to grow that, you know, I'm
not trying to free up my little menial

tasks, because that breaks up my world
sometimes, the monotony of doing just

big things as I can look after stuff,
um, Yeah, so I'm terrible with that.

And I'm not saying I'm right, I'm
just saying I'm terrible at it.

There's a space

Arun: for both, I'm assuming
is what you're trying to say.

But with

Ps Adam: a robot, oh man, I
could definitely command a

robot without any feelings.

Katrina: Will you give context?

Like, cause there's probably
people listening to this that don't

understand what we're talking about.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

So, there's

Arun: a few companies that, I mean,
already have been working on Tesla.

Yeah, Tesla's been doing robotics.

Um, there's, it's basically
the embodiment of AI, right?

So you want to be able to do natural
language queries to something and then

not have to do the action yourself.

So you'll have a physical robot
that can say, clean my dishes.

It'll go clean your dishes.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Arun: Um, so the one that you
sent us was figured out AI.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Arun: Um, and so they have a
mission for, you know, accessible

humanoids for the world with safety
on the mind, you know, as much as a

Katrina: humanoid.

But yeah, I don't

Arun: know if I like that

Ps Adam: terminology.

Usually not.

Yeah, because

Katrina: in their master plan, it
says there's two options to solve this

problem of needing to support Where
labor is going in the next 50 years.

It says either we build a
world that's made for robots

Ps Adam: Yeah,

Katrina: or we build robots
that are useful for humans.

I'm so, I'm botching.

I'm paraphrasing, obviously,

Ps Adam: but

Katrina: that's already
so weird because it's so,

Ps Adam: the first one is weird.

We don't want to build a
road, a world for robots,

Katrina: but that's what I mean.

You read that.

You're like, yeah, I don't
want a world for robots.

Sure.

Second option.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

The second option is the better
option, but I think, you know, um,

and I think the biggest argument is
our robots going to take jobs, right?

Are these going to put people out of work?

But, uh, history would reveal the.

The opposite our robots are going
to take Some jobs, but we'll free

us up to do other jobs, you know?

And so I think, you know, the advent of
the tractor is a very good example that

we don't need to use steer and ropes and
pulleys, uh, and people guiding them.

Now we've got tractors and
machinery doing that, but it

just freed humans, not humanoids,
humans to actually do new things.

Using our minds and our creativity,
while a lot of the menial tasks got done.

Arun: Yeah.

I think about this a lot because there
was something that I struggled with

kind of, I've always been the person
that just does everything myself.

Like if you were in the group
project, I was the one that did

the work in the group project.

So it was, it took me a long time to kind
of unload those tasks to somebody else.

Like, especially like, you know,
when I got married, eventually it

was like, everything had to be done.

I would do it, right?

I would get it done.

But then there was like something
about partnership and you don't

really have to do all these things.

I think about like, Uh, the
advancements in, like, self driving.

Like, if we had all that time where
we didn't have to drive anywhere, we

would just have extra time, right?

And you can just think about these
for all these, if I never had to

research to book another flight, I just
said, I want to go from this place to

this place, and I just get the best.

Right.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

You

Arun: know, these smaller tasks,
like you were saying, if they were

fully automated, We would just
have more time to do other stuff.

Katrina: I agree, but
why do you need a robot?

Like a physical robot to do it?

That's my question.

I

Ps Adam: think that's the
scary part, is the humanoid.

Okay, so if I get excited about it, but
then I think about Is there going to

be human attachment to a, a physically
shaped human robot that for all intents

and purposes is obviously a robot, but
in the, in the physical shape of a human.

Now for functionality, I understand
it, you know, when The fact

functionality of arms, walking,
stairs, all that kind of stuff.

It's very hard to replicate
something useful that isn't

humanoid in shape and style, right?

So doing the task of a human, having the
limbs and, uh, if I was, I'd be making

them with eight fingers, not five.

Cause like more thumbs would be so handy.

You know what I mean?

Um, But you know, we're working within
a humanoid style are we setting up

for people to create attachments?

Yeah, so when that breaks
down is there loss?

Yeah, you know, even though
there's no soul Yeah, but have

they formed an attachment?

Yeah to to the humanoid.

Arun: Are you sent me an article?

Yeah

Katrina: There's a performance artist.

I think she's in Denmark.

I don't know.

I sent you the article.

Arun: Yeah

Katrina: of a woman who is
going to marry her hologram

Or like AI created a hologram.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

I mean they, they, they're
the french freaks, right.

That, that I'm not talking about.

Absolutely.

I'm talking about the mass people.

Yeah.

Gonna have Are you think

Arun: that people that aren't, they
would follow attachments to these humans?

Ps Adam: I have a tendency
to think that, you know.

Okay.

So, um, I was watching documentary Mm-Hmm.

, uh, on the flight back yesterday
and it was on molder night.

I was really intrigued 'cause we're
planning a church there and it was

this, this guy who grows cheese.

Okay.

And he's so, I would love to get this guy
for a man because he was talking about

the, the relationship with the cheese
as he's building the cheese, they just

Arun: named us in case.

Maybe we can go.

I can't remember, but

Ps Adam: he's an epic, like he has
this big cheese factory and they, they

birth Jesus is what they talk about.

Like the cheese is a baby.

And in this early stage, he talks
to the cheese and is like, you're a

baby now, but you're going to grow.

And, and, but it's, It sounds
so weird when I put it back,

but they're so into it.

Uh, that could be it.

That could be the guy.

Katrina: Massimo, what is it?

Ps Adam: Maybe, um, it sounds like him.

Arun: It

Ps Adam: was, um, it was epic.

I had a big education.

And, um, long story short, it was
so funny though, how He is with

the complexities of the aging and
the development of the cheese.

It's like a life cycle.

So he's talking to the cheese and he's,
he's like, you have to be tactile with it.

You have to pat it.

You have to encourage it.

And it sounds ridiculous, but here he
is treating cheese like it's alive.

Yeah.

So if you're treating
cheese like it's alive.

Yeah.

Yeah.

You're definitely going to
After a while of relying on a

humanoid interacting every day.

And let's be honest, that'll probably
be the primary interaction for a lot

of people, uh, or majority of the
time, as if there's not going to be

some kind of reliance attachment,

Arun: you know?

I think that happens.

Like, if you think of it as a
pure assistant at your house,

they're there all the time.

The one that's constantly there
listening to all the stuff to,

you know, be a proper assistant.

You're the one, like you
said, first form of contact.

Yeah.

A little bit scary.

A little bit scary now
that I think about that.

Well, and it's

Katrina: assigned a voice that does
sound empathetic to your questions.

And that's what's really interesting
because up until now, everything that's

automated has a very neutral voice.

Like you call and you hear on the
hold line or whatever, you get in an

elevator and any machine that has a
voice, it's like, Has, used to be,

remember it used to be called Fred,
and Fred would just read you a message

and it was just really monotone.

But the humanoids have a voice that
sounds like us, and it responds with

tonality, and it's, and it even,
it understands what you probably

need to hear with that tonality.

And that, to me, is
really, that's interesting.

Do you, do we need that
when you're having tasks?

Ps Adam: I think I'd want to program
my humanoid to be like a soldier.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

Yes, sir.

You know me.

Yeah.

Can you get me a tea?

So, yes, sir.

That's actually smart because then

Katrina: you could always have an

Ps Adam: army then.

Katrina: Again, watch Westworld.

It's very scary.

Ps Adam: I haven't seen the
show that you keep referencing.

But

Arun: I mean Westworld, Black Mirror, if
you want to see what this might look like.

Yeah.

It's cool to see what like,
uh If you don't watch it.

Katrina: Well, I don't know.

It's not a very kingdom minded movie.

Oh,

Arun: yeah, yeah.

That's true.

That's true.

That's true.

Katrina: But it is.

It's like a zeitgeist kind of
conversation to have around that

space because it is, like, you can't
tell who is human and who's humanoid.

Arun: And,

Katrina: um, anyways, it's very deep.

But it's cool to see

Arun: what the creative mind, when they
think of the future, and they build an

image of what the future looks like.

Yeah.

And then the world kind
of catches up to that.

It's interesting to see that intersection
of where the creative mind does.

And then we just kind of follow into that.

Because we've seen these robots.

Like in movies and they look
exactly like how they look now

when we actually build them, right?

Yeah, we have.

Right.

And so it's like life imitating art.

Right, right.

So it's like if the art didn't exist.

Especially with Neuralink.

Yeah.

Are we becoming more

Ps Adam: robotic?

Katrina: Tin tinfoil hat.

I mean,

Ps Adam: let's put the tinfoil hat on.

My dad got two new knees recently, so
he's robotic down, down in the knees.

But, um, you know, with the Neuralink
and the enhancements, human enhancements

is what we're talking about.

Mm-Hmm.

, uh, where does the humanoid, uh,
blend with human enhancements?

Mm-Hmm.

, uh, in time, you know?

Arun: Yeah, yeah.

No, I think it's, it's
gonna be pretty cool.

I think the next, will

Ps Adam: white guys be able to dunk

Arun: soon?

? Maybe not.

Probably not.

But the last topic that I wanted to
chat about, um, before we close was,

I got to talk, talk about TikTok.

Um, the, the house passed a bill
to potentially ban TikTok in the U.

S.

Ps Adam: It was a hot topic
in Frankfurt, actually.

Oh, was it really in Frankfurt?

Yeah.

Cause Europeans love TikTok.

Oh yeah.

They love it.

And, uh, we actually had
someone kind of mad at us.

Um, not mad at us, but they
found our church in London.

Uh, we were there in London and
someone had found the church.

Through a TikTok.

Someone had come, an influencer had
came to the church and they were really

big on TikTok and they did a whole,
uh, TikTok, I think a post Mm-Hmm.

Is it called a post or a reel?

Whatever it is.

Yeah.

Uh, 'cause I'm not on TikTok.

Mm-Hmm.

And really none of my team are on TikTok.

Mm-Hmm.

. We don't have TikTok
account for the church.

Oh, okay.

But they made a, a, like a review of the
church, which was awesome, apparently.

Mm-Hmm.

. And so people have been
coming because of that.

Oh, wow.

And then they couldn't
find the church on TikTok.

Mm-Hmm.

. And, uh, it was just interesting.

For me to find out how many
grown adults are on TikTok.

Yeah.

Yeah,

Arun: yeah,

Ps Adam: yeah.

I think for me, I was still in the,
hey, isn't that like for the kids?

Arun: Yeah.

Is there, is there a reason
Vibe Church isn't on TikTok?

Um, I just

Ps Adam: really, no, I don't think
there's any, any thought out reason

except, um, that me personally,
I just don't want my data taken.

Oh, right, right, right.

Arun: And that's the reason,
honestly, for this bill to pass.

Yeah, yeah.

Um, it's interesting to see what,
there's two sides of the debate.

Sure.

There's people that believe, because
the way this works is, you know, China

has the ability to moderate the content
and the way that people think about it

is that in China, you know The content
they're pushing is more educational

It's a little bit more constructive
for the people that are using it the

stuff that they're pushing for us and
the algorithms pushing us Is a lot more

like smut like stuff that's like not
really useful and it's kind of like

burning our minds But that's fact, right?

That's been proven?

I don't know if it's, has it been proven?

I should've double checked that.

Yeah.

I know it's been a lot, it's talked
about by a lot of people that I

trusted before, but now I gotta be
a little bit more, yeah, I gotta

be a little bit more careful.

I gotta, I've been rugged now,
so now, I gotta, I've gotta

be a little bit more careful.

I didn't do the research myself,
so, but there's a little bit.

You used to be so bold.

Yeah, I used to, now I just
said anything, but yeah.

Um, but I think victim.

Oh yeah, not a victim though.

But that is true, I think
that is, it's, it's true.

It's believable.

Yeah, it's believable.

Let's say that.

Yeah.

That's really well said.

Um, but I think there's, so
there's two paths that can go here.

Where it's, um, Now, they can either, um,
divest the company, they can have a U.

S.

entity, and then we can control the data.

Um, or, if they're not willing to do
that, it might open up to the fact that,

you know, there's clearly something
that they were, that was going on

there, and prove the fact that, you
know, they didn't really want to.

Obviously, it's a very difficult
process to, like, divest

and find an entity in the U.

S.

that will run this, so.

Ps Adam: I mean, let's, let's put, let's
keep the tinfoil hat on for a moment.

Okay, cool, now that it's
on, we can say whatever.

Because, I think, you know, when we think
about it, it's very hard to be believable.

to at the moment, uh, to think, are
they, do they want the best for the

people or is this a foreign company that
has got so much traction that they're

not getting any piece of the pie?

And so by creating a narrative that
they're stealing your data, that that

forces their hand to actually sell some of
the company, That, uh, they are marketing

to millions and millions of Americans.

And, uh, you know, do they at
least get piece of the pie?

Cause if the content doesn't
change, well then, okay.

Well, that was, that was evident
that you don't think it's, uh,

Arun: the direction really is to
protect the American people from,

Ps Adam: well, I said, I have
my tinfoil hat on and I'm saying

is with the, with the, with the
hat on, potentially not that.

Cause I haven't seen really
anything from our current government

that has done any benefit for,
um, We should do more of that.

The American

Arun: people.

We should do more of that.

Yeah.

We need more of this.

Like, I, I'm of the mindset, if
there's something from a higher level

that you could do to protect the
American people from themselves a

little bit, you know, but there's like

Katrina: a,

Arun: there's a balance between
that and freedom, right?

And so, you know, we, we
have freedom in this country.

Yeah, but you've got to

Ps Adam: understand too, I mean,
There is a lot of platforms

that aren't approved in China.

There's many platforms that we have here
that China just straight out banned.

Um, and most Chinese people
don't know about them because

they're never available, right?

But, uh, China have
definitely banned them.

We have had a pretty open market.

And does that make us
susceptible to companies?

I don't know why companies need
to have access to so many elements

of your data and your phone and
devices and that kind of stuff.

But they do.

Um, and they promise that they'll
never use them, but okay, great.

Rug time.

Um, you don't know who's
going to pull the rug later.

I think my tinfoil hat
is skeptical both ways.

I'm definitely not a truster in, you
know, what China's, you know, empire

and regime are trying to achieve.

I don't know what they're
trying to build long term.

They've always been an empire building,
uh, culture and society, so, uh,

that makes sense true to the nature
and history that they're an empire

building, but I don't want to just
judge someone's future off their past.

At the same time, um, I'm, I'm,
you know, very skeptical about

big government, I'm very skeptical
about a government's agenda.

It does, I've never seen the
government that motivated.

To just protect people's data
because the government wants our data

Um, and so I tend to lean towards
what's the financial play here?

And are they missing out
on a big piece of the pie?

Yeah, especially just because of our
current government Okay, when I read

about um, the biden scams and how much
money they took from Um, uh, you know

all these deals they've done overseas I
just It makes me really find it difficult

to believe that the current government,
um, would be endorsing anything that

would be just beneficial for the people.

Especially when I see how the
government controlled COVID and

how they're dealing with the border
crisis and all that kind of stuff.

It doesn't feel like America first.

Right.

Yeah.

It feels like, Line their pockets first.

I mean, have you seen on Twitter
like Pelosi's follow Pelosi's

investment accounts, right?

So you you can uh follow nancy pelosi's in
stock investments And it's a surefire win.

Oh,

Arun: I have seen It's a surefire

Ps Adam: win because there's
um, there's insider trading

that happens on congress, right?

So congress level There is no rules
where they can't invest in companies

that they're making rulings on.

They just so happen to be so lucky
investing in a company just before

something big comes out publicly.

And so what people did because there's
no legal like way of stopping this or

it's not corrupt, it's not technically
corrupt, even though it's morally corrupt,

uh, with insider trading, people now
just follow their investment account

and they're making huge money off just
doing the trades that she's doing.

Yeah.

So they've set auto trades to
whatever she buys, they buy,

whatever she sells, they sell.

I've seen

Arun: some of these posts on Twitter,
but I always thought, you know,

there's no way it's that easy.

But now I gotta, I gotta
go follow these accounts.

You gotta follow these accounts.

I gotta follow these accounts.

Ps Adam: Um, this is not
financial advice, by the way.

Yes, do your own research.

But we've got the tinfoil hat on still.

Arun: Right, anything goes
with the tinfoil hat on.

Katrina: There's a through line here
around trust, because you trusted

somebody and then you got rugged.

Ps Adam: Mm hmm.

Katrina: But then we ended
up with trusting Pelosi.

We're trusting the corruption

Ps Adam: is true.

But I think it's the
mistrust that we're trusting.

Yeah, right.

That's true.

You know, there's levels to this.

There is levels.

We're trusting the mistrust.

We're trusting the fact that human
nature will always try and scam.

And so when something big comes out,
like let's ban Tik Tok, um, The, the,

the people I've seen the maddest are
obviously the TikTok influencers.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Um, they're so mad because
they built a whole career Yeah.

Livelihood on, you know,
doing and it is livelihood.

Mm.

I'm always very skeptical of influences,
but they're making Wait, wait, wait.

They are making money off

Arun: this.

They are, but you mean like it's not,

Katrina: I just.

Is it valuable to the rest of us?

Ps Adam: Well, it's, it's, I
think it's force fed to us, right?

Unless you actually followed them,
it's force fed somewhere on your feed.

And so it's valuable
to marketing companies.

It's valuable to the
individual getting the checks.

Uh, for, for their account.

Um, but I've, I really have little
sympathy about their big crocodile

tears when the platform that they've
monetized for so long is at threat.

Um, like they want me to
rally around supporting them.

Yeah, just to get more money.

Um, I think a great ingenuity
moment to find something new.

That's that side of it.

At the same time I really Want
to if I took the tinfoil hat

off um I would definitely side
with let's protect America.

Yeah, protect American interest,
protect American people.

If it was that simple.

And I don't know if it's that simple.

Arun: Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think the one thing I will
say though, if you are living here

and this is, you're waiting for the
government to do it for you, stop, stop.

You can just stop using Tik TOK yourself.

If you're real, I have, it's the same.

I

Ps Adam: never started.

Well, I started

Arun: and I, let me tell you
during COVID, it was just endless.

Was it mindless?

And it's just a dopamine drip
and your brain becomes so numb.

Do you have every social media platform?

No, I used to, I don't know.

You don't

Ps Adam: use Instagram?

Arun: No, I don't.

I go, I have it for like messaging and
stuff, but I don't really like post

on Instagram or anything like that.

Oh,

Ps Adam: okay.

Arun: Yeah, mostly I'm
just consuming on Twitter.

Is

Katrina: that because you don't, you
don't want to post or you just like?

Arun: I don't know.

It's just like the time involved.

Twitter is way more enjoyable.

It really is.

Cause it's informational.

It's informational.

Ps Adam: It's not like you just, I think
Instagram got weird in the sense of you,

there was a social dynamic with Instagram.

That is tiring because it's, it's
people you selectively follow that,

you know, and I feel like there's
social pressure to like their posts.

And so it creates this anxiety
around social pressure.

Like, Hey, I see you double
tap, you know, great job.

I don't want to be
thought to not seeing you.

Um, especially as a pastor, but
then it's like, Oh man, I can't

keep up with that social anxiety.

So X has zero of that.

Yeah.

I don't like any post.

I don't repost it unless
I see it as valuable.

And then I just consume.

And I get to stay up to date.

I get my good fix of conspiracy theories.

Uh, and uh, it's very enjoyable.

Katrina: It's informational.

I know we have so many listeners that are
like in the hype network that are founders

like some of the people on our calls
who are founders, they're entrepreneurs.

How, I'm thinking about I'm thinking
about The questions they had on

the call of already having so
many plates to spin in their life.

How involved and informed should they be?

Cause all of these topics, I'm like,
yeah, I didn't know about Kate Middleton.

Ps Adam: That's not going to enhance

Arun: your life.

Why not?

No.

So,

Katrina: but how,

Arun: that's a minus for around

Katrina: tick tock and stuff like that.

I mean, How much, how involved should you?

Because that stuff moves so fast, right?

So for the rest of our hype community
that may or may not know everything

about this, how about do you, do you
like, yeah, do you make rhythms for

being, um, for knowing what's relevant?

Do you like, I'm going to get vulnerable.

Ps Adam: We're on the flight home
and you've got me and my wife.

Now I start the flight.

putting in a good solid
three hours of work.

I'm on the computer, but you know what
it's like when they shut the shades and

you're working and you're just kind of
like staring at your screen typing and

doing, setting up all your emails and
that, and then writing leadership stuff.

And then, okay, three hours in, I'm
just going to, I just feel like de

Stress, I'm gonna watch some something.

So I put on, um, Below Deck.

Katrina: Okay, yeah.

Yeah, it's like, it's a trashy Trash show!

Ps Adam: High seas drama.

Katrina: I see the borderline.

I love

Ps Adam: I love You know, it's like
my guilty little high seas drama.

And I get to be in the tropics anyway,
it's like all this like relationship drama

between all this thing It's basically

Katrina: like remember the real world.

It's on a ship.

Ps Adam: Oh, it's an absolute
waste of time Okay, it is it does

not enhance your life at all.

Okay.

I look over at my wife and she's
watching a documentary And I instantly

feel guilty because she's getting more
intelligent, I'm getting more stupid.

And so in that moment, I make a decision.

I could keep getting dumber or I could
switch and watch the documentary.

And that's when I learned about
the cheese, um, as a result.

Which, which served me way more
than, uh, the high scenes drama.

Um, but I think it's, it's, it's
that, I think it's those decisions.

I think it's putting, pulling
yourself up and going, have I just,

am I wasting time just scrolling?

Am I wasting time on mindless stuff
or could I be enhancing my life?

And until you make the decision, I
don't think the government banning a

platform is going to do it for you.

I think, as you said, don't
wait for the government, just

make a healthy decision now.

Arun: Yeah, but I think being informed,
especially in the tech space, this

is just my opinion, just seeing
all the stuff that's coming out.

It's really important.

I think you've got to be on that kind of
cutting edge of stuff that's happening

because your mind has to always be
kind of moving on what can happen next.

What can I build on top of that?

How can I be in that space?

Should I be moving spaces?

I think

Ps Adam: it's healthy for that.

Arun: Yeah, I think it's
really healthy for that.

So it's about what you're consuming
and how you can filter it.

Um, and so if you're using a platform
that's feeding it to you without

your control, that can be dangerous.

Yep.

But if you can kind of curate, I think
you have to set up your feed with X.

I think

Ps Adam: you have to curate, you
have to kind of follow certain

accounts that are informative.

I would definitely highly recommend
following Elon, um, because his

account is so brilliant and,
uh, it's, it's cutting edge.

It's volatile.

Um, it's fantastic.

And so I think that there are, um, certain
accounts that you have to do, but then

once you follow those accounts, you get
fed beautiful information that keeps

you current, you know, political stuff.

Yeah.

Yeah, it depends what age
of life you're at, too.

I think there's definitely stages of
life where you care more about politics.

Katrina: What other feeds do you follow,
or what other accounts do you follow?

I'm, I'm trying to speak for a person
who's like, okay, I, I love how they talk

about technology because it teaches me.

Ps Adam: So

Katrina: if you were to resource
them now and say, hey, this is

how you would curate your feed,
what would you set them up with?

Arun: Yeah, I follow a lot of founders.

I follow a lot of founders of tech
companies that, um, I'm interested in.

A lot of founders of like, Like
for me right now in crypto.

Ps Adam: Yeah a

Arun: lot of change even if it's
a competing chain It's really

interesting to hear how other people
think I like hearing opposing views.

Yeah Just so I can learn how they
think and then that kind of informs

how If I really understand how I
think, and so I think I like hearing

a lot of opposing views and that's
kind of how I curate my feed.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: mine's definitely weighted
more political at the moment.

Um, I kind of want to get it
more back into the tech zone.

But I think I just interacted with more
political posts and so it's actually

kind of driving my feed a little bit.

Um, especially as we near
the, uh, the election.

I feel like that is just gonna happen.

Um, but I like to be informed.

I feel like if you want to be a
leader in life, In any sphere,

it's hard to be an ignorant leader.

You have to have a level of
informed, otherwise you're speaking

into a void or from a void.

And I don't think it's
going to be as accurate.

At the same time, I don't think
you need to be overly informed

where you are being dictated to
by what's happening around you.

Um, so I think there's a
real balance is what I'm

If you're spending time on TikTok, I can't
see how that's going to produce a leader.

Yeah.

Just personally.

Yeah.

I think if you're on X, it's not X
that's going to produce a leader, but

it's going to make you more informed.

Right.

Yeah.

We're like, we've been really pro X.

We have been really pro X.

Elon, if you want to hop on the pod.

Wouldn't

Arun: that be cool?

That'd be crazy if Elon hopped on the pod.

Yeah.

We can dream.