Real Talk on Launching a Business with Jackie Rangel
Arun Koshy: Welcome to the Hype
Podcast, where we have real
conversations on business tech,
innovation, and culture trends, all
from a faith-filled perspective.
Today I'm so excited to be
talking to Jackie Rangel.
She's a luxury wedding and
engagement photographer based here
in San Jose, California, whose
work takes her around the world.
But the story behind her
lens is what's truly special.
It's a story about faith, family, and
legacy passed down from her father.
She's now on a mission to share
her faith through her business
and activate the entrepreneurial
spirit in everyone around her.
Pastor Jackie, welcome to the show.
What an honor, what an intro.
Oh, we're working on this.
Was it good?
It's great.
We're working on, I've been
giving some advice from listeners.
You know, it'd be cool to just, you
know, do an intro before and I was
like, all right, we'll do, it's great.
'cause sometimes you just get excited,
you just jump into the podcast, you know?
Yeah.
And so I just wanted to
prepare a little intro.
Um, how are you doing?
I'm doing great.
Yeah.
Listen, super excited Yeah.
To be here and very honored.
Yeah.
Um, just to be able to sit on the
other side of what I listen to on
the hype and how cool, be inspired,
and I get to be in this seat.
You know, we get to inspire people.
That's fantastic.
I can I just say it's, we don't have
like a live chat or we don't have
like, I don't really really get the
commentary, but it's nice to have like,
in a conversation with the listener.
Yeah.
So it's good.
So it's good.
So I'm excited for you to be on
the podcast and I know we have a
lot of chat, chat about, we chatted
briefly before this and so I kind
wanna just get into your story.
Sweet.
Um, so I was actually
looking at your web website.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and I saw the story about how you got
started and your why for why you do this.
Can you tell us a little bit about that?
Like, why do you, you know, do
photography, your father and
how he helped get you into this?
So this is crazy.
Um.
It's full circle.
Yeah.
I actually had an emotional moment,
even this whole weekend I was down
in Southern California shooting.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, it's never lost on me, uh,
where I get to sit and how people
trust me with their special moments.
I mean, we never get to redo this again.
Yeah.
So for me, it's just like sitting
there knowing that I came from a
little town in San Jose, um, in the
east side of San Jose, the girl just.
You know, grew up in the Bay and she
was in the living room at one point.
Yeah.
And her dad pointed the camera
at her and just like, wanting
my dad to give me the camera.
Mm-hmm.
Singing on the camera,
acting a fool on the camera.
Uh, just creating stories
and memories Yeah.
That I now get to look back on.
Um, to be here now full circle and
create those kind of memories for people.
It is never lost on me.
I'm just so grateful.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I get to see people like
Tie the Knot amazing.
Fall in love.
Amazing.
Yeah.
You know, and it's crazy 'cause
I get to see different, um, kind
of like moments in their lives.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
And so sometimes I do graduations.
Like this week I got to shoot
somebody that I did their graduation.
Wow.
And all of a sudden they're dating.
No.
And I do their engagement.
That's crazy.
I'm sure i's do their wedding and
when they have kids I'll probably do
their, you know, maternity session.
Yeah.
So it's like, it's
something that keeps giving.
Yeah.
It's pretty cool.
So your dad was like the
original content creator.
Oh gee.
He was, he was, he was doing funny.
Was he doing the America's
Funny Home videos?
Yes.
Like back then when you were recording.
That's awesome.
So was he into photography or was he just.
He just wanted to capture family moments.
Yeah.
I actually found out that
he did film photography.
I had zero clue.
Ended up picking that up.
Mm-hmm.
He didn't really like give me that gift.
He didn't show me or teach
me or anything like that.
But knowing that that
stems from that mm-hmm.
Was actually really cool for me.
Yeah.
It was something that I found interesting.
Um, I still educate myself to this day.
I pay for mentorships.
Nice.
Pay for a business coach.
Different things like that.
Mm-hmm.
And so to know that my dad kind
of did that in the beginning to
where I'm at now, I'm like, wow.
I never, I never would've thought.
Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: And so, yeah, I wish
that I would've started younger.
If I could've started
younger, I would've done it.
Yeah.
Um, but yeah, just sitting here,
grateful to know that my dad picked
up, like, uh, what was it, like a
eighties, nineties film camera Yeah.
Camcorder stuff.
And all of of a sudden, you know,
all that stuff's even coming back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So people are buying film cameras
from back in the day, and so, yeah.
Just full circle moment.
I'm grateful.
Did he give you your first camera?
He didn't.
Oh, okay.
But, um, now that I've bought all my
film camera, my husband, um, he kind
of trips out because he's like, wow,
this camera's older than even, um,
your dad or even our relationship.
We've been together 20 years.
Yeah.
And so just to know that you can
buy film cameras that are sold,
but they're so expensive still.
Yeah.
Yeah.
It's crazy.
Yeah.
Do, do you look back at some of
the films or just moments that
your dad has captured and Oh, yeah.
Yeah.
Like, actually, I just had my
grandmother who passed away, right?
Mm-hmm.
So I'm going through all these
photos and sometimes, um, I don't
like being in front of the camera.
Right.
Um, but, and most of us don't feel
natural in front of the camera.
Yeah.
But now looking back at, I'm
grateful that he did take all
these photos, all this video.
Because I have great
memories of my grandma.
Mm-hmm.
And, um, just cherish the laughs,
the smiles, and getting to see
that this past week, um, has
been really special, you know?
Yeah.
So even going back, like I look back at
my personality as a child and nothing's
changed, so it's still the same.
Yeah.
Um, very joyful.
Mm-hmm.
Happy to create memories and now I gotta
do that with my kids and my family.
That's amazing.
So yeah, just grateful.
Well, tell us about that process
of capturing a moment and what goes
into that, like the, the, maybe
the skill behind just clicking
the button and taking a picture.
There's so much more there.
And actually, I think in a world where
it feels like everything is curated to
be the best of what you see, oh yeah.
I feel like there's something
about, you know, we're searching
for that authenticity and
yes, early on when, you know.
People were getting into cameras
and we're just shooting home videos.
Yeah.
It was kind of, we're just, we're
not doing it for anybody really.
It was just to really capture the moment.
How have you seen that kind of shift and
how do you take that on as, you know,
the person capturing these moments?
Yeah.
That's, there's different
photographers for different people.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I don't feel I am the
photographer for everyone.
Oh, interesting.
And I don't feel that, um, you know.
Every single photographer out
there has a different perspective.
My perspective is I do wanna capture
those things raw as they're happening.
Um, there is a level of production
when it comes to a wedding.
Obviously you want to do what the
client wants to really cherish.
Yeah.
But my ideal clients, when they
come and they go, Hey, I love the
product production aspect of my
florals and my decorations, but
I value my family more than that.
Mm-hmm.
That to me is like the best Yeah.
Uh, combination because I get to
capture beauty in their details.
Yes.
But it's those moments where
the mom is crying in a corner
with her daughter mm-hmm.
And holding her.
Or the dad is coming up and doing a
first look with his, you know, daughter.
That I get to be present and actually
like lock into sacred moments.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I don't get to redo them.
I don't get to like conjure up something.
Right.
Right, right.
And so to be able to see it unfold
before my eyes, actually, that's
one of the, the things I say is
capturing moments as they unfold.
Mm-hmm.
Because I don't wanna like
just create perfection.
Like sometimes some perfect photos
emotionally aren't the crispiest.
Right.
There's actually some blurry
photos that give more emotion.
Mm-hmm.
And so I wanna make sure to
just like capture it as we go.
I am kind of like an light editorial,
um, kind of, how would I say it?
Light editorial documentary
style photographer.
Mm.
Where I want to see it as an unfolds,
but I also will guide you so you don't
feel like you have to pose yourself.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
Um, and so that's my bread and butter is
just telling people how they should pose.
And even like, I take things
into account of like, what is
the body type this person has?
What do they feel?
I asked people what
their love languages are.
Mm-hmm.
I like to know that 'cause
I wanna tie it all together.
Mm-hmm.
It's really a story.
But I did hear recently
a interview I loved.
Um, there's this very.
Very well known photographer, um,
that loves to shoot with Leica.
Mm-hmm.
Arun Koshy: With Leika, it's like techie.
It's like, you
Jackie Rangel: know, if I
start getting techie with you,
like Leica can, no, no, no.
I would love to nerd out.
I blur.
I love that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so, you know, it's very reputable.
And so he starts, they ask him,
what do you think is best being,
um, your composition being clear
or like, um, for you to get the
raw emotion of what's happening.
He's like, well, can't you do both?
Hmm.
And I think that's really critical
is like, I don't think you're in
it to just make a, a nice photo.
I'm in it to capture motion.
Yeah.
To make an epic photo.
Yeah.
One time a client asked me like.
I have a questionnaire when they
reach out, I wanna make sure I know
their vision for their wedding day.
And I had asked like, what is the
importance of your wedding day?
And what are you looking for?
And they said, I want
every photo to move me.
Mm-hmm.
And I, I, that changed my mindset.
Yeah.
Because I thought, wow, like she's
looking for me to capture her,
even her tablescapes, how can
I make that emotional for her?
Yeah.
And so I started thinking
of weddings differently.
Like, okay, how can I make it emotional
when she sees her dad for the first time?
Or maybe her dad's not in the picture.
How can I incorporate her dad even
if her dad's not in the picture?
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
So I've now become this storyteller.
Yeah.
And I really find it important to pe for
people that want to get in this industry.
One, we are a service based industry.
Mm-hmm.
You want people to feel good,
um, about their day and feel
good about their experience.
Mm-hmm.
But it's really about knowing the
client very well, knowing their
story and, and giving it justice.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I wanna be able
to, to sit there and.
Feel like my client looked at every
photo and felt moved emotionally.
Arun Koshy: Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
So I
Jackie Rangel: don't
just wanna take photos.
Yeah.
Anybody could do that.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: Anybody could grab
a digital camera nowadays and
you're capable of taking a photo.
Right?
Right.
But emotionally, are you
actually tugging on heartstrings?
Mm-hmm.
You know, are you, um,
taking it to the next level?
So that's really what Yeah.
It's a long answer, but
that's, that's what I feel.
No, it's, I actually am so interested in
this space because, I mean, everything
is content creation now, right?
Yeah.
Like, you're just so
much content out there.
Mm-hmm.
And you know, obviously AI is like
even diluting it further, right?
Yeah.
And so, like I said, we're
looking for that authenticity.
So it's interesting to hear
you talk about your process.
And so I actually like to dig into that.
'cause you didn't jump into photography.
You actually had a career that
jumped to a lot of different places.
Talk about that journey a little
bit from, you had this kind of
spark in you that your dad gave you
a little bit of photography, um,
but you didn't really jump into it.
How did you go from there to
photography and how did it shape.
Kind of how you think about cryptography.
Ive done so many things in my life.
Yeah.
And I know that I'm 37 years young.
Mm-hmm.
Nice.
Um, for me, I literally, um.
Even doing like, for example,
home health, hospice and doing
things like, uh, vet pathology.
Mm-hmm.
And random.
Just the random is craziest things.
Okay.
And then one day a friend, I'm doing
all of this and I love taking pictures.
Mm-hmm.
Just in general, like landscape.
Yeah.
And a friend came up to me during my
college days and she's like, Hey, can
you take some photos for my daughter?
And I'm like, no, I don't do people.
Oh really?
No, I do landscape.
Why that?
I just only knew how to take
photos of mountains and like trees.
And the sky.
Was it just your, your eye for it?
Like is that what it Yeah,
that's how I thought it was.
And so she, she keeps kind of like,
uh, nudging you, like, come, hey, can
you, I said, okay, fine, I'll do it.
And back in that day, oh my gosh, I
literally charged it like 50 bucks.
It's like, let's do it because I don't
even know how these didn't come out.
Whatever.
And so I take these photos
and something came alive.
Mm.
I I wanted to capture people.
Yeah.
I was like, this is so cool.
Yeah.
And so I ended up, can I ask
what it was for her kid you said?
Yeah.
Yeah.
It was just like a, it
was doctor's birthday.
Birthday.
Okay.
Yeah.
And she's like, I just want like a
pictures of her 'cause she's growing.
I wanna encapsulate this memory.
Right.
So I'm like, sure, I'll do it.
And we did it and I kid you not,
if it wasn't for my friends seeing
something in me that I didn't see
myself, I wouldn't be here today.
Wow.
I wouldn't be thriving how I am today.
I wouldn't be, my mindsets
wouldn't be what they are today.
Mm-hmm.
Um, of course.
Yes.
Like as a person, I
think I would've grown.
I have a lot of passion for
life, but, um, for someone to see
something, I think that's critical.
Yeah.
Um, sometimes I walk around and people
may be, um, living life, like they
don't know what they need to do.
My son asks me all the time, like,
what should, what should I do?
Mom?
He's heading into high school.
Yeah.
And so I'm just like trying to
pull out what I see already.
It's the same in life.
Someone will see something in you
and you're kind of like doubting
it or you don't really know.
Mm-hmm.
Just, just say yes.
Yeah.
I think one thing I've learned
in life to be a yes person.
Mm-hmm.
And obviously with like wisdom
and balance and all that.
Well, I don't believe
in balance, but rhythms.
Mm-hmm.
Good rhythms of that.
Um, I do believe that she changed my life.
Yeah.
I think like her saying and being
persistent, um, was something
that changed me forever.
I wouldn't be here today
if it wasn't for that.
And I think the only difference
between someone that could take
a photo and where I'm at is that
I really do live with passion.
I try to excel in everything
that I do, so no matter if it
was home health, hospice mm-hmm.
Or taking pictures, I really
just give it everything.
Yeah.
Where did that come from?
Where did that, that strive
for excellence come from?
Oh man.
I would say, honestly, I
think it's from my father.
Mm-hmm.
His side of the family.
My mother too.
They're actually both actually.
Yeah.
That's a great question.
Mm-hmm.
My mom and every space that
she entered into always, um.
Excel to a different level.
And so no matter what kind of, um,
role she took on, she did for years,
like in the tech world, and I think
the, the, the company was called
ene or or something like that.
But that company that she worked for,
she didn't go to school for that.
Mm-hmm.
And she ended up like,
excelling in that space.
And then she moved on into another world.
She tried to get into medicine, different
things that she did, but every time she
would get like a different position.
Mm-hmm.
She'd always get elevated.
Yeah.
My dad, same thing.
As soon as he entered a job, um, it's
like he gave everything he had even,
even if he started at the bottom Yeah.
He ended up getting to the top.
I love that.
And so that same spirit kind
of just lives inside of me.
Yeah.
I think, um, I always
just start and go with it.
Yeah.
I, I think that's such a important
kind of characteristic to have
because you may not always be in the
thing that you're passionate about.
Yeah.
But if you always strive to be
excellent in that thing, yes.
I think those are characteristics
that carry over to whatever.
When you do get that opportunity
to be in photography, like you.
That, like let's say your friend
gave you the opportunity, but you're
like, oh, I'm not really sure I'm
good at this, so I'm just gonna, I'll
just do the pictures and I'll leave.
Where it's like, you're like,
I'm gonna still be excellent even
though I may not believe fully.
Oh, absolutely.
And then that's what allowed
you to continue on, right?
Yeah.
So even that, for example,
that's a great point.
I didn't just go in to take photos.
I scouted where I was
gonna take the photos.
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
What did the lighting look like?
When I was gonna take the photos?
What kind of posing do I wanna do?
It was my first time ever
shooting, like for business really.
Even though it was $50, but
I put every effort into it.
Yeah.
So, yeah, I didn't just
show up with a camera.
I researched, I looked it up,
I asked friends, and that's
what's gotten me to today.
So I love that.
And it's kind of cool that, you
know, obviously this was your, this
was kind of your first gig, right?
The the birthday shoot.
Yeah.
Official.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, but really what people are looking
to ask you to capture are these
like happy moments in their lives.
Yeah.
Does that, how does that affect
you kind of to be able to, like,
you're a storyteller one, but
you actually see these moments.
Where people are in their happiest, right?
Yeah.
Like these, these joyous moments.
And I feel like I can kind of like, that's
what people are trying to relive, right?
Yeah.
When we relive these moments.
Yeah.
Or you show it to other people, how do
you find that capturing those moments
maybe affects you and then what you
want to do to translate back to them?
Well, I'm a very like.
Happy, joyful, optimistic person, period.
Uhhuh.
But, um, believe it or not, like yes,
weddings can be somewhat, um, easy
to capture joy because people are
having a party, they're having a good
time, they're seeing their family.
But believe it or not,
there can be sorrow in that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I recently went to a
wedding and someone had lost
their family member Right.
The day before.
Arun Koshy: Mm-hmm.
Jackie Rangel: And I
had to capture emotion.
That person, person, the bride, was no
longer in tune with what was happening
in the day of, at least in the morning.
Yeah.
And I literally had to
pull my photographer over.
Thankfully she was also a believer,
and I said, Hey, let's pray right now.
Nice.
Um, we ended up praying for her,
but I had to capture it differently.
Mm-hmm.
I had to, I asked her questions.
So for me, I think it's
connecting emotionally.
Mm-hmm.
I went to the bride and I said, Hey.
I know you're not really present
right now 'cause of what's happening.
Mm-hmm.
Um, it's gonna be fine.
And tell me more about that person.
I, instead of shying away from
the emotional side of that.
Yeah.
Negative, uh, moment.
I actually pressed a little bit more and
became a human connection for her to be
able to express what she was feeling.
Yeah.
Um, so yes.
Bunch of tears were happening.
Makeup artist fixture up a little bit.
Yeah.
But then I moved around to
capture it from that perspective.
Mm-hmm.
Versus shying away and actually removing
that emotion that she was feeling.
Yeah.
Because now when she sees her
day, she's gonna obviously know
something happened, but now she
could see it as beauty versus pain.
I love that.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: And so, yes, there's joyful
moments and that's easy for me to capture.
Mm-hmm.
I love to be, um, obviously I'm gonna
be the biggest third wheel for them.
I want to be emotionally connected
as a friend and for them to feel like
they're having fun and engaging with me.
Have good chemistry in
that se in that sense.
Um, but moving even to family, like,
I want the family to feel connected.
Sometimes, um, people can go
into a wedding, like, here's
my list of what I need.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and this is a family that
I need you to shoot, and then
that's all they think of.
Um, but for me, it's like, I actually
wanna know what your dad's name is.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna know what your mom's name is,
who's gonna be in these photos because,
um, I wanna call them out by name.
Mm-hmm.
If I go, Hey, dad, get in the
picture, two dads turn around.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Right, right.
But if I go, Hey.
Henry.
Mm-hmm.
Henry now feels apart.
Yeah.
Henry now feels like he's a part of the
story where it's like, oh, my daughter
isn't just here to ask me, or My son
isn't just here to ask me for a photo.
Mm-hmm.
No.
They wanted me to be a part.
Yeah.
And so, um, even bridal party getting
connected to them, knowing their stories.
Who's the maid of honor?
Who is the best man?
How can they help?
How can they be incorporated?
Mm-hmm.
What are their love languages?
Like all of it.
It's literally everything.
Yeah.
So, um, these are characters in the
story that you're trying to tell.
Right, exactly.
And so if you don't know the characters,
it's like, how do you really, you know,
know what to position in this kind of,
because you do the video too, right?
Like the video?
Yeah.
I have a video team for that.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, but for me, for example, the
bridal party, if I get connected
with them or even the mom or dad in
the beginning, or a cousin mm-hmm.
Then at the dance section,
they're all dancing with me.
Yeah.
It's not a photographer
not taking photos of me.
This feels awkward.
Yeah.
No, it's, I've become
a friend, like family.
You're like almost family.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Arun Koshy: Exactly.
Jackie Rangel: Actually one of the
highest honors I had a wedding.
Um.
And I'm so excited because they,
every time they reach out to me,
um, they say, Hey, the one thing
that people tell us about seeing
our whole entire gallery is they've
never seen so many smiles in a day.
That's awesome.
And so, yes, people want the
smiles, but sometimes it's
just being absolutely present.
Yeah.
The emotional side of what
they're going through.
Yeah.
And not just like, come to take photos.
Yeah.
Never, never, never do I
just come to take photos.
Yeah.
I love that.
Actually.
Now I'm thinking back to my wedding
just reminiscing a little bit.
Yeah.
But like I, I think about like our wedding
planner or our photographer and it was
actually like, you know, obviously you,
for me it was important to get to know
them because you wanna make sure they're,
they're gonna like do the vision that
you know, your wife, my wife, not me.
I didn't really have a
vision, but my wife had.
Right.
And so, but you realize as you go through
that process with 'em, they're there
for your most intimate moments, right?
Oh, absolutely.
And so they do really become like family.
And so it's cool that you kind of
think of that going in because.
If it's not as important for you as
it is for them, it won't translate,
I think, into your work, right?
Oh, absolutely.
Yes.
Yeah.
And that's why the vetting process and
just for them to see if they like me,
it's also for me to see if I like them.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
If we're gonna click, if we're going
to um, you know, like the chemistry's
gonna be there 'cause I don't wanna
capture something I don't believe in.
Yeah.
Um, I don't wanna, that's why
I'm saying like, not everyone,
I, not everyone's photographer.
Right.
And that's okay.
That's really because there's a
bunch of people, people out there.
But I do wanna be connected with you.
I do want you to feel like, um,
we're a part of a story together
and we're capturing this together.
'cause down the line, in 20 years you're
gonna look at these photos and will you
be connected with your photographer?
Maybe not.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But when it's a good one and you
really want them in your life.
Yeah.
Maybe.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so like, I've had people
that I meet up with them for
dinner still and do all that.
Is that the goal?
My goal is actually just.
Provide a service for them.
So my goal first, obviously, is to
capture this to the best of my abilities.
Mm-hmm.
And give them what they pay for and want.
But the byproduct of all that is
you get a great friend from me.
Yeah.
Because I'm going above and beyond.
It's not just like coming
in and take the photos.
It's definitely a story for me.
I wanna do the story justice and
there's so much that goes behind.
I could talk about this for days.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
But it's just like the beauty
of connection and human emotion.
Yeah.
It's an honor to capture, I really
think it's important to talk about,
because I think it's the single most
important thing that we need in this
new era that we're going into where it
almost feels like we're getting further
and further away from human connection,
but everybody's looking for it.
Mm-hmm.
Everybody's like looking for, how can
I reestablish that human connection?
But now everything's behind the screen.
Everything's behind something
that's generated, not by me.
It's just like I prompted
it to generate it.
Yeah.
So I actually think that idea
translates even beyond photography.
It translates to every, you know, form
of work, every conversation that we have.
Even this, right?
Yeah.
It's like we're actually just having
a human connection despite all the
podcasts and all that kinda stuff.
Um, and then people there are all
able to kind of almost form it through
authentic conversations like this.
Right?
Yeah.
Um, and so just like, I want to tap
into a little bit about your faith as
well, because you mentioned a moment.
You, we, we haven't gotten to
the part of your story where you
actually started a business yet.
Um, but you mentioned where, you know,
there was people that you were kind of
working for that needed some prayer.
How has your faith evolved and how
have you taken into your business?
It's, it's everything to me.
Mm-hmm.
There, there's, I literally, uh, don't
know how I'm here if I'm being honest.
I, of course, I hustle.
Mm-hmm.
And also hustle has gone a bad rap.
Mm-hmm.
I do feel it's a good word.
People just used it wrong.
Why do you think hustle's
gotten a bad rap?
Oh, man.
If you tell people like, you should
hustle, they obviously assume that with
no sleep, no, uh, family connection,
no balancing life, and you're just,
um, burnt out kinda how you hustle.
Right.
That's, yeah.
I think it's the worth for me, when I
say hustle, I think more of a work ethic.
Yeah.
So for me, it's like I, I hustle,
meaning I, I give it my all.
I work really hard, I do the right things.
Um, but yeah, I feel like I, I'm
only here by the grace of God.
Mm-hmm.
Like, it's his favor.
There's nothing else to it.
Yes, my work comes into play, but.
His open doors that he's given me mm-hmm.
Are like, they blow my mind.
Yeah.
The fact that I get to travel the
world to do this blows my mind.
Right.
Um, the way that I can, you know,
just like follow metrics and,
and see how my business thrives
and scales, that blows my mind.
Mm-hmm.
And it really is based on my faith.
It's based on what he's done for me.
I have friends in this industry, same
industry as I am, and they do the same
exact things, but I don't, they struggle.
Mm-hmm.
If I'm being honest, creative
business owners, they struggle.
Yeah.
I am so grateful.
That the favor of God is on me.
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
That he called me from a young
point, and it doesn't matter
if I do change my career path.
Mm-hmm.
'cause I do know that eventually, what,
30 years from now, or maybe less, my
body is not gonna be the same mm-hmm.
To do this type of line of work.
And that's okay.
But it's like, I feel whatever I
go into, if I give it my All right.
And if God is with me behind you.
Yeah.
Uh, that's all I need.
I love that.
Um, but yeah, grew up
as a pastors kid mm-hmm.
And world forever, so, yeah.
Okay.
Cool.
So how do you feel like, 'cause
you mentioned that, you know, your
counterparts that are also in this
business may be struggling as well.
Yeah.
But you've kind of
found that path forward.
Has it been because of, would
you say something that is in your
faith that has allowed you to
translate that into your business?
Or would you say it's like just
by hard work and kind of skills?
No, I think it's both.
I feel like, um, I feel like, you know,
if you read a bunch of the proverbs, it
talks about money all the time, you know?
Mm-hmm.
So I, I do believe that it's like.
Faith-based, but I do believe
it's also a lot of my work.
So I'm working in a partnership, a
supernatural partnership with God,
and it's like, how can I put my
gifting to work, um, by following
his principles that he says.
Mm-hmm.
And so I do both, but I do feel like
learning about things like you can't just
assume that your business will thrive.
It actually will only
thrive and grow if you grow.
Mm-hmm.
It will only change if you change the
mindset that you carry and you, uh, you
know, create and how you elevate your
space and sphere and friendships and all
that will only change when you do it.
And so I think like scaling and, you know,
partnering with people and learning what
partnerships you should have and shouldn't
have, um, what opportunities to take and
not take the, all those things really
are for me, based off my faith in prayer
and trusting God through the process.
Yeah.
While doing the hard work.
And so, yeah, I think, I don't
know if I'm gonna quote it super
wrong, but it's something like.
Pray as though it depends on
God and work as it depends on
you or something like that.
And so I know that it's a partnership.
Yeah.
It's not just one.
But I think my faith,
honestly is a key factor.
'cause I do trust God almost.
Like I'll, I'll fly
wherever he wants me to.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I never doubt where he's gonna take me.
So people will even ask me like,
oh, how about imposter syndrome?
I don't have that.
Mm, that's good.
And I don't say that in the cocky way.
Right, right, right.
Or the way that like flaunts my, my head.
What, what I mean is an imposter.
Someone that's a fraud.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: Someone that
doesn't put the work in.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: I am someone
that puts the work in.
Mm-hmm.
I put the hours in.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I make sure to do what I need
to do to go into a space prepared.
Mm-hmm.
And so I'm not a fraud.
That means I don't have
to have imposter syndrome.
I can actually excel in this space.
Yeah.
And so.
If someone's listening out there
too and they feel like they
have imposter syndrome, really
look at what you're doing then.
Mm-hmm.
Maybe you're not really educating
yourself in your space, whether that's
tech, whether that's, uh, real estate,
whether, whatever business it is,
really, if you really put the effort into
learning and paying people or educating
yourself with college or whatever
that sphere is, um, you gotta do it.
Yeah.
Like, it's not just like, you know,
willing and hopefully luck will get you.
I don't, I don't think
that's what it is yet.
Yeah, no, I totally agree.
I think it's the preparation
that lets you get there.
And then also, I actually, I
really love that you said that
it's like, it's not a cockiness.
It's, it's almost like,
you know who's backing you.
So you have this level of like,
foundation that's like unshakeable
and then if you put the work in,
like what is there to doubt, right?
Yeah.
It's hard, obviously it's like
much easier said than done.
But when you get to that point of
realization is that if I put the
work in, I do the best I can do.
I have a, a creator that's even
far greater than me that will
get me the rest of the way.
Um, yeah.
And it's not delusion.
It's not, yeah.
It's, it's not like a mystical thing or
delusion about like what can't happen.
Of course, business is like, it's
never like straight, you know, it's
like it goes up and down, like I
don't know where it's gonna go.
Or sometimes it's the unknown
of things, but it's never like
doubting what God will do.
Yeah.
Um, the one thing I
want do is be generous.
I want to build generational wealth.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna be able to give
to the house of God.
That's the one thing I told my
husband when I started this full time.
I said, Hey, if this ever takes away
from my family or takes away from
serving the house of God mm-hmm.
I'll pull out.
Yeah.
Like, it's just not worth it for me.
Um, and so that's kind of
like what I strive for.
I strive to like build God's house
and I think to this point, you know,
I've done everything that I can to
give all my efforts to doing so and so
I know that doing that God's got me.
Yeah.
Like, I, I don't fear doubt for tomorrow.
'cause he, I love that.
Yeah.
He's got me all the way through and
I actually want to jump into your
family, but before we do that, actually.
I think it would be really cool to kind
of see your journey from that moment
where you had that birthday party
to actually starting the business.
'cause that's a big step, right?
Yeah.
It's not just a hobby anymore.
No.
It's not just, you know, one off gigs.
You decided this is gonna
be my full-time business.
Talk about that because this is
actually a part of your mission.
You want other people to be able
to see that they can start a
business, they can get, if they
have a passion, they can go for it.
Talk about how you did that.
Okay.
So not everybody has a capital, right?
Mm-hmm.
I think people or creative entrepreneurs,
business owners, they don't realize
how much or one before they begin.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
They don't realize how much it's actually
gonna take as far as like capital, right.
Or what they need to begin and think
of people like, uh, Bezos, you know,
when he's, you see that picture
where he's on a computer mm-hmm.
And there's like all this in a random
room that, that part of his life was
probably like, man, I don't know how
to get to the space where I want to be.
And now he's where he's at, right?
Mm-hmm.
For me, it's like, uh, learning how
to, I had to learn how to give sessions
for free to build my portfolio.
Mm-hmm.
But I, because you're
in the people business.
Yeah.
You need customers, you
need people to Exactly.
Give you, like build your reputation.
Yes.
Right.
Exactly.
Mm-hmm.
So I, I needed to make sure that people
trusted me in what I did, and that
meant giving a lot in the beginning.
Mm-hmm.
Just like every other business.
Yeah.
You gotta give so much before you
start seeing the income come through.
I'm very grateful.
That's the patience.
Right?
Yeah.
And very grateful.
I had a husband Yeah.
Who was able to support me through that.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so it, you know, if it wasn't
for him, shout out the hubby.
Um, I wouldn't be here today, but yeah.
Um, it was those moments of like
curating what I wanted it to
be, what was my brand really.
Mm-hmm.
Because a lot of people, I think, go
into a business and they don't really
know that it actually takes a brand.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and it takes you creating
something so people can value it.
People can see it, people can
trust you on social media.
Yeah.
Like you said, media is
everything right now.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Content creation is everything.
You can tell the frauds from a mile away.
Yeah.
The people that just say, okay, here's
my link to get something, and you're just
like, oh, they're selling me something.
Mm-hmm.
That is not my vibe.
Yeah.
My vibe is like, here's what I
sell, but it's come, you know, I
back it up with what I've done.
Mm-hmm.
How I do it, how I educated
myself and just growing that.
So yeah, I had to give it
a lot in the beginning.
Yeah.
Grew my portfolio that way.
Yeah.
And a lot of friends helped me a bunch.
But Did you have somebody.
Sorry, did you have somebody tell
you like, oh, you should start a
business, or it just came internally?
No, no.
It was just like, I'm gonna do it.
Yeah.
Actually it was a, it was a moment, um,
where I looked at my husband and there was
this thing, um, somebody, and I hate when
they say like, um, manifesting, right?
Oh yeah.
Somebody said, I'm like, I hate when
people say they're gonna manifest
something and conjure something up.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: And I looked at my, my
husband and there was a shirt that said
at the same time, literally it said
like, manifesting that money honey.
And I ended up changing the quote.
Yeah.
But I, I thought to him, Hey, I'm
gonna like strive to do this thing.
'cause one, I love it.
I was a wedding planner before.
Oh, okay.
So taking the photos of that
myself was like, okay, cool.
It's like all coming together
and then once it all kind of
like almost COVID moment Yeah.
Was like, Hey, I'm just
gonna launch this thing.
Cool.
Like full send.
Arun Koshy: Right, right.
And
Jackie Rangel: I ended up that night
launching and as soon as I said
I'm full time 'cause I was already
shooting, um, you know, engagements.
Yeah.
People in general.
I have never stopped working.
Arun Koshy: Wow.
Jackie Rangel: And it's
been a great thing.
Yeah.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: But
sometimes it's like, whoa.
Yeah, yeah.
Demand is too high.
Yeah.
Arun Koshy: Um,
Jackie Rangel: so I've had to learn
to scale it and raise my prices
so I work less, but make more.
Mm-hmm.
And so there's just been a lot
of like, um, learning for me.
Yeah.
But it's, in the beginning I had to go,
Hey, I think I want to pursue this thing.
I don't know what it's gonna look like.
Yeah.
And that's what I tell people
all the time, just get started.
Okay.
It's not about being perfect
'cause perfection will stall you.
Arun Koshy: Yes.
Jackie Rangel: Perfection's gonna
make you wait until the right moment.
And that right moment
will probably never come.
Never comes.
Mm-hmm.
And so it's about going,
Hey, I need to start now.
And jumping, because the, the.
A way will show you, like as soon as you
jump, the next step is kind of in place.
Yeah.
And you gotta go, okay, now
I'm at the fork of the road.
Do I go right, do I go left?
And then that decision will go to
another fork of the road kind of thing.
Um, and I'm not saying,
don't be wise about it.
There was times where I had to
like pause and go, okay, what
is my business model right now?
Mm-hmm.
This is not working for me.
How do I scale?
Great.
And then it's always
like the next big thing.
Yeah.
Now I'm at the point where it's
like, it is a service based business.
How can I scale this to,
um, a larger capacity?
Do I hire more people?
'cause I do have one hired person.
My assistant, Mariah, shout out to her.
She's amazing.
Incredible.
And how do I scale it again?
So I will always tell people, just start.
Yeah.
As soon as you start, you'll
see the plan on unfold.
Where did these business
skills kind of come from?
Did you have a mentor man?
Did you kind of study?
Okay.
You had a mentor?
So I had, uh, people that I hired and I
did have a business coach, which oddly
enough was from Australia as well.
Oh yeah.
Was he was also a, um, electrician.
So funny.
But you're like, no, pastor Adam.
But anyway, um, I ended up hiring
him and when I was listening in.
Um, I was learning so much going
through, um, the lessons and just
getting these moments, uh, to learn,
but then I realized I hit a plateau.
Mm-hmm.
Like I hit the ceiling already
and I'm like, okay, I need
to go to the next thing.
And I would hire more business
coaches and more people.
Mm-hmm.
So, I, I do believe if you're
starting a business, 'cause I.
I, I feel like business ownership
might not be for everybody.
Okay.
Talk about that.
Yeah.
I feel like there's people
that, um, aren't educated yet.
Could they be Yes.
On what the business aspect is
as far as like the admin role?
Taxes, yeah.
LLCs.
Mm-hmm.
Um, all the backend stuff that they
don't really realize takes a lot of
work, um, and set up to prepare it all.
Shout out to my accountant.
'cause if it weren't for her,
I would not be here either.
Yeah.
Um, so having all that in
place is super important.
So structure is key.
Yeah.
I did start that very early on.
So if anyone's listening,
starting a business, make sure
it's all legit from the get.
Mm-hmm.
Um, and then I would say the
mentorship and doing all that
actually shifted my mindset a lot.
Um, I am comfortable pretty
much in every sphere.
There's maybe just tech based, you
know, conversations where I'm like,
Ooh, that has passed over my head,
but it doesn't mean I stop there.
Mm-hmm.
I wanna learn more.
Nice politics.
I wanna learn more.
Like I never stop at, well, I don't
know this sphere, let me turn around.
Mm-hmm.
Nope.
I go, Hey, full, let's figure it out.
Let's get our toes wet and
maybe I'll fail and that's okay.
Yeah.
'cause actually to me, I learned
more from my failures Yes.
Than just my successes.
Yeah.
Um, but reading a lot of
books, um, reading, um, but
yeah, mentorships, all that.
Were there any key books that you read
when you first started your journey?
Oh man.
Where do I even begin?
Like of course the, the
traditional, like what is it?
Atomic Habit, uh, the Habits
one, I forgot what it's called.
Oh, how to, uh, something
to Build Good Habits.
Is that one at Habit?
I forgot what it's called.
But that one was really good.
Yeah.
I did like it.
I feel like there was a shift there.
There's one that I was
reading by, um, just recently.
It's like the 15 invaluable Habits
of Leadership or something like that.
But there's a bunch that I have read
that I'm like, man, it has changed me.
Mm-hmm.
It has changed how I think and view.
There's another, um, business
owner who's Christian too.
Um, he has a book that he came out
with and I ended up purchasing that
and that changed my mind as well.
Um.
God, his name is blank.
It's like blank.
Once you join a podcast,
guys, this is funny.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
You always listen in.
You're like, I'm gonna remember.
No, you don't remember.
Do How about this?
If you remember those books.
'cause it sounds like
they were good books.
Oh, there's so, so many.
We'll add it to the show notes later.
Yeah.
So you send it to us later.
Yeah, yeah.
I'll, I'll send 'em all to you.
Perfect.
Because they are really, really good.
I do feel like they've,
they've changed my mind.
I don't read books only on photography.
Mm-hmm.
I don't read books only on,
you know, like self-help.
Mm-hmm.
I read a lot of books that
are just all over the place.
Love, maybe just love fiction.
I love that.
Can we talk about this?
Actually, I think that's really important.
Mm-hmm.
And a really important point,
something that I've learned
just being on this podcast Yeah.
Is there's such an importance to
just being curious about the world.
Yeah.
About a lot of different
things outside of your field.
'cause I think that actually impacts
your field and whatever you do.
Just knowing how things
operate in different spaces.
Mm-hmm.
So I think it's really important
that you said it's not just, I'm
maximizing photography, so I'm
gonna read about photography.
It's.
I could, I want to maximize photography,
but I wanna learn about different
cultures, maybe different people.
Yeah.
And then that'll help, you know, you know,
maybe go into what I wanna do in my work.
Right.
Well, you know, as I'm listening to you,
if you don't read and change your mind.
When a problem comes, you won't figure
out that solution because you're
just gonna feel it's too challenging.
Yeah.
And I feel like the way you break
barriers is really changing your mindset.
Like some of us will say, Hey,
I grew up in the east side.
I grew up in the hood of San Jose.
Okay.
But that little girl would've never
figured she'd be sitting in the
space that she's in now, walking
in rooms or spaces that I would
be speaking to certain people.
Wow.
Never would've thought.
Never, never in a million
years would've thought that.
And so I'm very grateful to be
in those spaces, but I go, Hey,
I don't wanna stay like stagnant.
I don't wanna stay in this level.
I want to go and excel.
Mm-hmm.
The only way I could do that
is by challenging myself.
I never wanna be the
smartest person in the room.
Yes.
I know that sounds weird.
But I always wanna be around
people that know more than me.
Mm-hmm.
'cause I can learn more from every
single kind of topic or subject.
Yeah.
And I strive to be that for others.
Like, I don't wanna just pull
up, I wanna pull down and I, you
know, reach up and all that stuff.
So, um, I think learning and
changing your mindset will help you.
'cause when the time comes, there will
be moments like, for example, COVID hit.
Yeah.
Mm-hmm.
All of a sudden, all these
businesses are going crazy.
COVID hit, we don't know what to do.
Even like in every sphere, real
estate photography, um, I'm not
sure how it affected the tech world,
but just all the things, right?
Mm-hmm.
Um, going, how can I survive?
All of a sudden we can't
have human connection.
Yeah.
So even when I had to move in COVID, I
had to have like a virtual, like a person
walking me around when we were gonna move.
Oh yeah.
Right, right.
Okay.
How does that affect
weddings were being canceled.
Yes.
I remember this.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So, you know, anyone that wasn't really,
uh, reading or upping their game.
Would've been like, I'm ruined.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: I gotta give all
this money back and I'm out.
Mm-hmm.
Tapped out and start something else,
or go back to their old businesses.
Yeah.
I stuck to it and very blessed
that most of my clients like
pivoted somehow for that to work.
But if it wasn't for my mindset of like,
okay, let's grind, let's figure it out.
Let's find a solution.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Um, it's also a gift.
I honestly feel like there's certain
things God puts in people, um, to excel.
Like if you were to ask me, Hey,
I need to come up with a certain
number by the end of this year.
Yeah.
I will figure it out.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And it's just that work ethic
in me, a perseverance, right.
To get Absolutely.
It's like there's, I
need to find a solution.
Yes.
I'm gonna find a solution.
Right.
Yes.
So I'm, I never feel stuck.
I feel like there's always something,
because I always like, yeah.
Read.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's really cool.
So, talk about, so you started
the business in COVID, right?
Yeah.
And so you stuck it through, talk
about the challenges and maybe
some of the pivots that you did
make that were successful and
maybe some that didn't work.
Yeah.
There was a lot of, um,
I did have a lot of.
Like, not cancellations, but just pivots.
And that really took me going, Hey,
what does my schedule look like?
How will this work?
And really working with planners and
different people to like, make it work.
Hey, this doesn't align
with our schedules.
How does you know mm-hmm.
This date look?
Or hey, this venue is no
longer hosting people.
Which I know is really stressful
for the couples, but it's
like, great, I can do this.
Or we could make it into nature.
So I really do feel like elopement
photography became a huge thing then.
Mm-hmm.
Because people were not
getting married in nature.
So you see people getting
married in the mountainside and
I did that too along the way.
So it was like going to Yosemite or
going to big serve, figuring it out.
Yeah.
And so that was super challenging.
Um, changing our contracts for now future.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Probably, you know, uh,
things that would happen.
Uh, we had to change so
much in the industry.
Yeah.
But it actually, to me, um.
Really, this sounds really bad
'cause I know a lot of people
listening, uh, were affected.
Mm-hmm.
So, I'm sorry for all those people that
have lost family members and I never, you
know, wanna diminish that, but I, it was,
wasn't something that really affected me.
Mm-hmm.
Because I just like persevered through it.
Yeah.
A lot of people that were around me did
get affected, but I just like was giving
people advice, Hey, you should do this.
This is what I'm doing.
Mm-hmm.
And instead of being like on the
Titanic shit, you know, thinking Yeah.
Right.
Thinking.
Yeah.
I was like, Hey, I got
this like, life boat.
Let's, let's figure it out.
Yeah.
And people really just
flocked and I just, yeah.
Yeah.
I feel like when you serve
people you worry less.
Arun Koshy: Mm.
Talk about that.
And so I always
Jackie Rangel: served, I always
made sure to like, even to this day.
I love serving others.
I love, this is why my, um,
line of work is great for me.
Mm-hmm.
Because I like to serve others.
Yeah.
Like, I wanna give my bride and
my groom a great experience.
And so I feel like serving people
will always make you worry less
about what you're struggling with.
Um, whether it's financial, emotion,
spiritual, physical, all the things
that you're going through, if you
actually help someone else, I think
that ends up elevating itself and
your worries begin to diminish.
Mm-hmm.
And so that's what I did.
I just served people and I
helped others learn to serve.
Yeah.
I didn't want them just
to be like, okay, great.
Thanks for helping me by Yeah.
When they did that, I saw how they
would succeed and they would fall again.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm like, Hey, you
just gotta serve people.
You gotta like excel, but
like also look around.
Yeah.
Who needs your help?
And so, yeah.
Yeah.
So, so if I get your journey right,
some of the advice you gave was, you
know, you're just get started, right?
Yeah.
That's the first key.
Yeah.
Just get started, you know, nothing
can happen if you don't get started.
Yeah.
Um, and then don't wait
for perfection, right?
Yeah.
Like, you gotta, you know, you're gonna
fail and the moment you fail, you'll learn
and you'll kind of pivot and move on.
But one of the things that you mentioned
is all the people that you placed around
you to kind of help scale you, right?
Like you had the business
partners you had.
So it's, talk about that because there's
one thing that, um, some people, I
know I've gone through this a lot
where it's, I have this idea, I want
to do it, and it's like, I'll do it.
Like, it's like I, this
is my, my, my journey.
Journey.
Like my burden to bear,
I'm gonna do it myself.
But really it's the power of
bringing people into the thing
that you're trying to do.
Absolutely.
And scaling there.
Talk about how important it was and
maybe some of the people that you
brought in early to be able to get to
the point you're, thanks for saying that.
Yeah, that's actually
the answer right there.
Um, when I was a wedding planner.
I obviously developed great
relationship with people, all
vendors across all, all boards.
Then when I became a photographer,
those, um, relationships
were the, the key, like key.
Yeah.
For the unlock to my business.
All of a sudden, planners are reaching
out to me, Hey, can you take the
photos, um, florist, Hey, can you
take these photos, makeup artists?
Hey, can you take, and it has not,
that's why it has not sought for me.
So I think that was my advantage, um,
compared to another photographer that just
starts is I already had all the connects.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And so that work was
on the back end though.
You, you realize I got, I had to work
I, these relationships I had to make
sure I did favors, I had to make sure
I did connections and all of the things
that I had to do, meet with people.
But that's really what I love to do.
Yeah.
I don't do it just to go, Hey,
Arun, let me meet with you and
let's do this thing, because I know
you're gonna scratch my back later.
Nope, I don't do that.
I was just gonna ask you, I
would just do it to serve people.
Mm-hmm.
I, because didn't know
you were gonna do this.
No.
Right.
It was, I'm just forming good
ways because this is my job.
And then just having to get
they happen to come back.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Just being a people person too.
Yeah.
Like I think learning to connect with
people in every space is really critical.
Like, um, you know, when people,
people, everybody relates to people
passing away, everybody relates
to people getting married, health,
everybody goes through health.
Mm-hmm.
Um, different things,
just financial stuff.
Just every kind of conversation you
would, you can have with someone
to connect you is great for me.
Those relationships I build were key.
Mm-hmm.
Um, so I think like if I could talk to
somebody that's beginning now would be
to make sure you build relationships.
You cannot succeed in life if
you don't have a great team.
Yeah.
Um, the only reason I'm here is because
I have a great team and maybe it
doesn't look like a 50 person team.
Mm-hmm.
But it looks like my mom and
dad taking care of my kids
when me and my husband can't.
Yeah.
Because I need to travel the world.
Maybe it looks like my husband's
staying back and me traveling the
world to do what I need to do.
Mm-hmm.
And, and that's my team.
Yeah.
Like, that's my tribe.
My, my assistant when
I go travel and she's.
At my house downloading images and
calling them and getting started
for when I come back to this
roll with it, that takes a team.
Like, so it's not just me.
Like I, I feel like everyone that backs
me, uh, gives me like that propel to
go to the next phase in my business.
And so I wouldn't be here
if it wasn't for my team.
Mm-hmm.
So I feel it's the same
any sphere that you're in.
The business that you're trying
to, to run, you need a good team.
Yeah.
And they need to feel connected with
you, and they need to feel like you're
relatable and that you're human.
You're not weird.
Yeah.
You know what I mean?
Like, you have to be relatable.
Yeah.
That's the one thing I do feel from
different areas that I walk in when
people tell me like, man, thank you.
Like, that conversation was so helpful.
I feel like I can have practical
steps versus like someone just
trying to teach them something.
Mm-hmm.
Um, I, I feel like my goal is to
conversate, but have practical steps
that people can move, walk away with.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, so yeah, just like relational.
Yeah.
Let's talk about, 'cause actually one of
the biggest relationships you can have
when you do business is your family.
Oh yeah.
And how important your family is to you.
And it's a lot of the why
that you keep pushing forward.
Right?
Like a lot of, if you, if I checked
your website and I apologize, it was
Hope Hanger and then there was another
foundation that you give to Yes.
Yeses or fiesta, right?
Yeah.
Yes.
And, um, maybe you could tell us
a little bit about, more about
the, those foundations, but um.
That is, there's a reason behind that.
It's your family.
Yeah.
And you don't, and you said it
earlier, but it doesn't come at the
sacrifice, your hustle doesn't come
at the sacrifice of your family.
Yes.
But talk about how you balance,
you know, your work life and
how important your family is.
There's non-negotiables that I've had.
Mm-hmm.
I think, um, you have to
have those set in place as a.
Business owner?
Like what?
What are the things from the beginning?
What are the things that
are non-negotiables for me?
Because in 10 months, in two
years, in 10 years, I'm going
to be at a different level.
Mm-hmm.
And I'm probably gonna
like that level a lot.
Yeah.
But will I compromise my
non-negotiables to get there?
Yeah.
I refuse.
So, um, my kids require a lot from me.
Actually.
I have three boys and two
of them are neurodivergent.
Mm-hmm.
They're on the spectrum.
And so a lot of therapy, a lot
of things that go behind that.
That's why I love entrepreneurship because
I get to make my own, uh, schedule.
Right.
Right.
And so it works for me.
I end up doing therapies.
They do that consistently.
They don't just have one,
they have multiple mm-hmm.
Doing that.
My 15-year-old, he's
now gonna high school.
Arun Koshy: Oh, cool.
Jackie Rangel: And that's
a different level for me.
I'm just like, ah.
I feel as nervous as he does probably.
Yeah.
In the best way.
I'm nervous in the sense of
like, I'm so excited for him.
Yeah.
Not nervous as in, oh,
what's gonna happen?
No, no, no.
Just nervous about like the, the
butterflies I guess you could say.
Mm-hmm.
And he feels them too.
And so going into that space, I go,
Hey, I wanna spend time with him.
We were very intentional at the age of 13.
Um.
Taking him out to a vacation.
I told my husband, Hey, when
he's 13, there was a someone
I saw on Bear Grills actually.
So interesting.
Yeah, it was the guy from
the office with the glasses.
Dwight?
Yes.
Oh no, he said Dwight, the actual
person, not that, yeah, his name.
The actor himself.
What's his name?
Something Rain.
Yeah.
Uh, no, I, yeah.
How am I blanking?
He went on Bear Grills was it?
And talked about.
How he had a, a trip with
his dad at the age of 13 that
changed his, changed his life.
Mm-hmm.
And I don't know what it was
about that conversation, um,
that I went, Hey, we have a son.
Mm-hmm.
And I want him to connect
that way with my husband.
Mm-hmm.
And vice versa.
My husband did too.
So he took a trip and instead of it
in the wilderness, because we're not
like that wilder, this type of people,
he went to London with him Okay.
And changed the trajectory of his life.
Mm-hmm.
I do see him different.
I see how he's very responsible, um,
loves on us, loves on his brothers.
And so for me, those
were the non-negotiables.
How can I spend time with my
family and make these rhythms in
my life that will make my family
excel, not just my business?
'cause I don't want to win
the world and lose my soul.
Yeah.
Right.
Right.
I don't wanna win the
world and lose my kids.
I don't wanna win the
world and lose my husband.
As soon as my kids were diagnosed, my
very first kid was diagnosed with autism.
Um, we sat.
Uh, if I'm being honest and vulnerable,
we were, we were sitting crying, um,
and, and I looked at him and say, Hey,
the statistics are actually really high.
My sister's also on the spectrum mm-hmm.
Are really high of divorce.
Mm-hmm.
And I refuse.
Mm-hmm.
So I sat there instead of praying for my
son's healing, I pray for my marriage.
Mm-hmm.
And that was a key moment for me.
So I knew, hey, if my sons need me
in this space, my husband needs me
because I, I need to support and he
needs my support to learn this world.
And then I'm, I'm also a daughter
and I'm also a granddaughter.
Yeah.
And I'm a friend and I like
to be a really good friend.
Then what it's gonna take is me
going, Hey, my non-negotiables
are, I have two weekends off.
Um, I have every two, two weeks
fully off every four months or so.
Mm-hmm.
Like, I literally leave
for Europe next week.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: Two complete weeks off
where I don't connect with anything.
Love
Arun Koshy: that.
Jackie Rangel: And then, um, I
just say, Hey, what are my, um.
What are my key things that I need
to take away from every trip or
everything that I do with my family?
And that's a nongo Sundays
are a non-negotiable for me.
Mm-hmm.
Like I, one time this year, which
broke my spirit, my soul, um, a
client had to move their venue mm-hmm.
And their venue ended up for a Sunday.
Yeah.
But I refused to work on Sundays.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's my day to serve the house of God.
That's my day to beaten.
Yeah.
Um, because I need to receive to, yeah.
So for those that don't know, pastor
Jackie is the pastor at five Church.
She's on the worship team as well.
Yeah.
Every Sunday she's there.
But just like context I think,
I forgot to say, but yeah.
I continue to say and that's
why I think it's important.
Yeah.
Like I, I do.
A lot.
Mm-hmm.
So a lot of people might say
like, oh, you're so busy.
I actually really dislike that statement.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Okay.
Jackie Rangel: Busy makes someone else
feel guilty about the life they carry.
My capacity is so high.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Yeah.
So
Jackie Rangel: it's not that I'm busy,
I'm just intentional with my time.
Mm-hmm.
And I know what I like to spend it on.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Good.
And
Jackie Rangel: so I will always
make time for people that I love.
I will always make time for the things
I find and I value that are important.
Mm-hmm.
That includes church.
Yeah.
That includes my family, that
includes, um, my friendships.
And so yeah.
It's really about going, Hey, in
the beginning, before you start your
business, what are the non-negotiables?
And it's okay.
That 10 months or Yeah.
10 years from now, it changes.
Yeah.
Um, because I, every year I try to,
before the year begins again, give
myself a business plan and go, Hey, what
went well this year and what didn't?
How do I change it?
Um, I always include my husband.
My husband actually really doesn't
help me, uh, on the business side.
He tried one time, oh wait, talk about it.
Okay.
I was just gonna ask about
your family's involvement.
People don't really realize
how much editing takes.
Yeah.
A lot of time.
Like doing the wedding is.
5%.
Mm-hmm.
Okay.
It's like, it's great and it's
the, the highlight of it all.
Mm-hmm.
Then you get home and all of
a sudden you're by yourself.
You're coming down from this like
high moment, and physically you
might be like drained a little bit.
Yeah.
And then you go into edit and
all of a sudden you're sitting
selecting photos and doing the thing.
Yeah.
Although we could talk
about ai, that's how Yeah.
Yeah.
But he sat there one day,
he's like, this can't be hard.
So he sits down and he's going
through photos hours later.
Yeah.
Okay.
He comes, I come back in
and I'm like, how you doing?
He's like.
Well, how many photos are there?
And I think on that gallery it was
like 18,000 or something like that.
Oh my.
He goes 18,000.
I forget.
It's a real, I'll go back, I'll
link you guys too, but, and
then he goes, this is a lot.
Yeah.
I'm only on like 600 something
or something like that.
And I, I told him, people don't
realize how much work this is.
Yeah.
So that's the day he realized
he didn't really wanna help
me with business anymore.
Which is fine.
It's not for everybody.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Um, and so, yeah, I feel like him
not really helping on that side.
Um, it has been still great
because he helps me with the
kids, does all that kind of thing.
And so it just helps me a lot.
Like I don't wanna, you know,
puts so much strain on my family.
Yeah.
Um, 'cause it's important.
But you asked me a question and
I totally spaced out 'cause hey.
My mindset.
So also I was just, I was vibing with
the conversation, you know, it's,
sorry, I dunno where, but I was, I
think it was like, it was kind of
around the realm of balance with the,
with life and you know, your work and
your family and you talked about it.
Oh, I know where it's going.
It's so people saying
that I'm busy, you know?
Yes.
Right.
Yes.
I, you know, serve here on by
worship part of the pastoral team.
Um, my kids, like I said,
are on the spectrum.
We do their therapies.
Um, I'm a wife, I do all the things, but
people that are listening, they're like,
I dunno how you find time for it all.
Yeah.
Learn to stretch your capacity.
Mm-hmm.
That's another thing I would tell you
is learn to stretch your capacity.
Learn to block schedule.
If you don't know what that is,
my God, it will change your life.
Um, learning that it, like you
can really have a good rhythm
for your everyday day to day.
Yeah.
There's also non-negotiables I have
for my day to days, um, from the
moment I wake up to the moment I sleep.
Mm-hmm.
I was just telling somebody
I was pastoring too.
Like, Hey, when you sleep, do you
analyze like a little bit of like,
Hey, uh, what did I do today?
Mm-hmm.
How productive was it?
If you wanna excel in life, you
gotta kind of just like analyze
your life and what you're doing.
If you wanna grow, grow to the next
level, what does that even mean?
Right.
Arun Koshy: Right, right.
What does
Jackie Rangel: it, like, how do
you get better at around, you know?
Yeah.
And if you sit down and you actually
have a plan, it's not just a dream
now because a dream will fade away.
Mm-hmm.
But actionable steps
mean everything to me.
That means I could get to the next level.
So yeah.
I think it's like, um,
encompasses all the things.
Yeah.
Like my family.
But then I have these major moments
throughout the year where, not
just in the beginning of the year,
quarterly I go, is everything good?
Yeah.
And maybe my non-negotiables
change, and that's okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
One of the things that actually,
when you're talking about capacity,
I was just thinking about was
that, um, I think people's capacity
almost is limited by your mental.
It's like absolutely something that
you, you think you're busy, but you're
really not as busy as you think you are.
Mm-hmm.
And it goes to what you were
saying about like, every night,
do you write down what you did?
Because I think if you actually, did
you realize, oh, I didn't actually do
too much, or I, I didn't spend a lot of
the times it's like, I have all of these
things I have to do, but because it's
in my head, you can feel overwhelmed.
I'm like, oh man, I have so many things.
I have no time to do this thing.
So when some opportunity gets presented
to, you're like, oh, no, I can't do it.
I'm so busy.
There's so many things in my head.
But there's such a powerful moment
when you just write it down, you
realize, oh, this is all I have to do.
Okay, let's just, you
know, tackle it one by one.
Um, but I, I think that goes to like
how you stretch your capacity, right?
If you don't even know what it
is, or you can't even verbalize
what it is you have to do.
That might be your first problem
into why you're busy or why you
feel like you're at your capacity.
Did you feel like all of this kind
of just happened naturally for
you where you were Absolutely not.
You worked through it.
Right.
I'm really the key.
Yeah.
The key to your burnout is
you don't feed your soul.
You don't feed your spirit.
And so Pastor Adam actually
talks about this all the time.
Like, if you're not being fed and
you're just feeding others, yeah, yeah.
You're gonna burn out.
And so it's really finding
this good rhythm in life.
And so for me, I, I do exactly that is
I have to feed my soul and it comes to
those moments of the rhythm of rest.
Mm-hmm.
So those two weeks off, that's
gonna feed my spirit so much.
And you really gotta step away.
That's what the key is.
Absolutely.
If you're out, you're like, whatever
that two weeks is, and you're
thinking about everything that you
have to do, then there's a problem.
There's a problem.
Yeah.
There's a absolutely.
There's a problem.
Yeah.
So like taking work home,
that's a little tricky for me.
Yes.
Yeah.
Because obviously I have also my office
at home and all that stuff, but there has
to be these moments like I will never, um.
Co-mingle things like, for example, if
you're non-negotiables to have dinner
every time with your family, if that's
one non-negotiable, you have, if you
have your phone at all times during
that dinner, then there's a problem.
Right.
So maybe it's like, how
do I outsource things?
Outsourcing things have has saved my life.
Oh, okay.
Talk about, yeah.
Oh my gosh.
Everything from outsourcing
to AI editing mm-hmm.
Or different things like that to
outsourcing who cleans my house.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Is it, you buy back time as
an entrepreneur that way?
Yes.
Yes.
So I don't take those things for granted.
And whenever I get an opportunity
to outsource something, absolutely.
I'm, I'm learning now in business, I
don't always have to be the best person
on my team to that specific thing.
Yes.
Although I am somewhat of a perfection.
Yeah.
Yeah.
That's what's gotten me here.
Yeah.
Like, I want my images to
showcase what I, I love to do.
Um, and I take pride in that, but you
can outsource certain things mm-hmm.
And not feel like you are
burning yourself out either.
Yeah.
So one feeds your soul, obviously,
but two, learn the times.
Yeah.
So we're in such a, um.
Yeah.
Kind of like sweet time in history mm-hmm.
Where there's so much you can do now.
Yeah.
And so if your capacity is so small, I
would definitely do what you said Yeah.
Is like, write things down for you to see.
Yeah.
You know, for you to be able to see
with a clarity like, what am I wasting
time on actually even, or what did I not
do that I should have done this year?
And I think actionable steps, like I
mentioned before, are really critical.
Yeah.
Like, I would be just like a head, you
know, a chicken running without a head.
Yeah.
Yeah.
At that point if I didn't
really have a plan.
Yeah.
Planning is really important.
Yeah.
Actually, um, wanna just quickly,
quickly touch on ai Yeah.
And a little bit about this realm.
'cause your business, I feel like
the creative business especially is
impacted so hard by these tools that
come out and you can see people on
both sides of this fence where it's,
some people are like, you know, it's
anti, especially in the creative
space where it's like, this is not.
If art is created by ai, is it really art?
Right.
Right.
And so, um, how do you feel about it?
Did you, did you, when it first started
becoming, I mean, it's been around for a
long time, but when it start first started
becoming like a really consumer friendly
product, did you shy away from it?
Or were you like, oh,
I'm curious about this.
I need to jump right
in and start using it.
My, like right now, love ai.
Yeah.
In the beginning I was like, what is it?
Yeah.
I didn't even know what this was.
Mm-hmm.
This whole talk of like AI in our
sphere became like this negative
thing and like people were.
Throwing things out there on social
media and you're just like, oh
man, what does this mean for me?
And I quickly was like, well,
how can I use it to my benefit?
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
So
Jackie Rangel: I jumped on the train
real quick and it helps me from
everything, from calling my images,
which means choosing my images.
Soon as I get home I am
pretty paranoid, so I back up.
'cause these are the
only images that Right.
Anyone holds from this
entire wedding on the planet.
Right.
So I literally get home and I
download them to a hard drive, a
second hard drive, and then a cloud.
So I have four, four backups because
then I have the physical cards.
As soon as I do that, I
put it on the computer.
When it's on the computer, AI
now picks my images for me.
Oh, cool.
I've taught it, um, what I
needed to label each image.
Image as.
Mm-hmm.
So if there's a blurry image.
Or let's say closed eyes,
it'll, it'll ma market.
Mm-hmm.
So, I know this one, I don't want to use
specifically Curious, what tool is it?
Is this just, it's called Afters shoot.
Afters Shoot.
Okay.
Cool.
Changed my life.
There's also different programs, but
I am, I'm not a financial ambassador.
They should, yeah.
Yeah.
Afters shoot.
But, um, I do highly recommend it.
Okay.
It doesn't do a hundred
percent of the work though.
Okay.
So I would say that's about 60 to 70%.
Mm-hmm.
Is like.
What I feel it does.
And then the 30% I still have to go back
and like, I don't really like this image.
It chose.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
And then after that, you can
actually teach it through, it's,
it's called a catalog in Lightroom.
I don't know if listeners know that,
but basically it'll learn itself.
Like it'll teach itself, um, from your
catalog already, and it goes, oh, okay,
I see how you edit and what you've done.
Oh, cool.
And it could edit for you now too.
Oh dang.
However, I still do feel, once
again 70% of that, even if it does
edit, I go back and I change 30%.
Yeah.
Or there's like a trash can
in the back I gotta take out.
Yeah, yeah.
It won't do that for you.
Mm-hmm.
But I don't rely only
on those tools, however.
That's amazing.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I after, shoot, highly recommend
for every photographer out here.
I actually recommended it here too.
Um, when we do.
Amen.
I'm like, Hey, Carol, if you can
put all the images and let it.
Edit for you.
Yeah, but it's different
when you have a curated look.
It just, it changes everything.
AI for emailing.
Oh my goodness.
Okay.
Like, um, I use HoneyBook, which is
my CRM, and as soon as the clients
come in, it immediately gives me an
email that I can like, um, generate.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And send, um, I don't necessarily use
those as often because I still feel
like my voice and my brand is not,
sounds completely different than that.
But I do use chat GBT too, and it learns
a lot and knows my clients somewhat
if I've already talked about them.
Nice.
Yeah.
And so I like incorporate it all.
Yeah.
Um, I am a chat GPT stand.
Nice, nice.
That's the one that I currently use.
Yeah.
I think, I think it's important
to realize that it's kinda what
you said, it's you use these tools
and don't let the tools use you.
No.
It's not like it's changing your brand.
It's not changing your style.
Yeah.
It's.
Helping you do what you do best in a
faster way, in a more efficient way.
Yeah.
And actually I don't feel
I'm affected in a way.
Yeah.
'cause um, people do feel
like it will take us out.
But you still need a photographer there.
Let's say JF Babas going
back to his wedding, right?
He just got married.
I, some of us noticed in his images he
got married and they did these photos,
but there's errors in the images.
What I mean by that is AI created things
and we could set, we could see it.
Oh wow.
Okay.
So if you ever notice a photographer,
if they do ai, there's like
fingers that are like wonky.
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.
Or like certain things.
There was buttons on the front
of her dress and the back of her
dress, which doesn't make sense.
Oh, interesting.
There was also, um, people that weren't
there necessarily at the wedding and
figured, so we were looking at these
images and I'm like, wow, this is a eye.
I think he touched it up.
But you still need a
photographer to capture them.
Right.
So it's not like that
photographer lost work mm-hmm.
That maybe had to do more work
'cause they had to use ai Yeah.
Or whoever they hired to
outsource that to use ai.
But it still was a photographer
one for me, let's say.
Not that tax bracket that's
a high tech tax bracket.
Yeah.
But let's say like someone that's
in our sphere still luxury.
They want emotional connection.
Like my pe people that hire me, they
still want to have a good day with Yeah.
Me because I'm gonna be with them all day.
So I feel like one thing that, um, AI
doesn't necessarily provide is empathy.
Mm.
Um, had my bride lost her grandmother
or whoever it was too, at that day, AI
wouldn't have be able to to help them.
Yeah.
Um, so I feel like I, I won't necessarily
lose my job, however, my space.
The, the people that have these
companies, like after shoot right now,
they are like making the money, right?
Yeah.
'cause they're using AI
to their advantage now.
They've taken people out though
the, the mom and pop shops that used
to edit for you ha like by hand.
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Have now lost business.
Yeah.
Because AI is now doing that.
It is more, um, consistent.
AI is more consistent.
It is faster.
Mm.
And so these shops that used to
do that for you manually Yeah.
Have now been wiped out.
Yeah.
And so there are, um, places in
my sphere or line of work that
yes, of course they lost business.
But I feel the photographer themselves,
I don't think we're in danger.
Yeah.
That's just my opinion.
Arun Koshy: Yeah.
Jackie Rangel: Um, so yeah, you
can't really replicate a day.
You can make it and make it fake.
I'm sure there's people out there
that are like, here's my husband
and here's, you know, a picture
of me, put us in a mountain site
somewhere or put us in this venue.
Yeah.
Yes, it's possible.
But I don't think it'll be emotional.
Yeah.
So it's just, yeah.
I don't, it's interesting 'cause actually.
It feels like it's happening all so fast.
Yeah.
Like every day it's
exponentially getting better.
Yeah.
Like these pictures, like, it's funny
that you say the Jeff Bezos wedding
one, where you can kind of see the
minor errors, but it's gonna get to the
point probably in the near future where
these things are indistinguishable.
Yeah.
From like real life.
Oh, I bet.
Uh, and so it's gonna be so hard to
then figure out, you know, like, oh,
is this a real moment or do I need to
take the effort to curate this moment?
One thing I've been thinking about
actually is do I need to take the
effort while I'm in this space to like
pose and like capture these photos?
Or do I just live in the moment?
And then you have these like generated
photos that kind of help you relive it.
I don't know what you think about that.
It might probably really negative for
your space, but like, I don't know,
because I, I think about this moment of
like, I, you go to like a concert, like
when I, when I go to a concert, there's
like millions of people that have their
phone up and they're recording it.
Oh.
But the actual artist is like right there.
Yeah.
And it's like we've gotten into
this generation of like, you
need to capture every moment.
I can't actually.
I can't sad live in the moment
because if I don't capture it, then
did I really experience the moment?
Yeah.
But it'd be cool if it kind of shifts
back away from that using this technology.
But I don't know.
You think that's possible?
Yeah.
I feel like yes to that.
I feel it is sad.
There's even like, you know, um, artists
that are now like, put the phones so
away that like they're not connecting.
Like especially being on stage, people
thrive off what people are feeling
or the emotion, all that stuff.
So it's like I could see
how that affects them.
Um, I feel if there's a photographer
out there that does it right mm-hmm.
It can be really, really cool.
Yeah.
I've seen some AI photographers
for weddings that actually, um,
are really elaborate with some of
these photos that they come out
with and they're so incredible.
Okay, cool.
Yeah.
Like, um, I've seen 'em generated and
it almost looks like architecture from
Europe and it looks amazing with water.
And then they made like, let's say
a, a architectural arch in the back.
Yeah.
And then all of a sudden there's
water and the table's in the water.
It looks incredible.
Yeah.
Okay.
But would I hire someone.
To do that for me, if that's
what I was looking for.
Yes.
Would I be their photographer?
No.
Mm-hmm.
So that's why I mean like there's a
photographer for someone out there.
Yeah.
So if you're curious and you're like, I
wanna do something creative like that.
Absolutely.
Yeah.
Go for it.
I think it's great.
Will they take most of us out?
No, probably not.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah.
I don't think so.
And you have to get good at that.
Like, I've tried to generate images on
the ai, like, oh, let me try to do that.
Yeah.
Where it looks really
cool to share and see.
I can't do it.
Yeah.
It's a lot of back and forth.
It just hallucinates errors.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I think working with ai, I mean,
I, I'm an engineer, so working
with it in code, there's a lot of
like, it's almost like parenting.
You're like, you gotta make
sure it's following the rules.
Yeah.
It's like following the rules.
Um, but man, I feel like I could
keep talking to you forever.
I had so much more on here to go through.
Yeah.
It's so funny.
So maybe we'll do a part two.
I feel like I say this,
I'm a yapper, so we'll see.
Fantastic conversation.
Amazing.
A lot of good advice.
But before I let you go, is there.
One piece of advice that you wanted to
share with, you know, listeners out there,
we have a lot of people that are kingdom
builders, they're in the space tech
business, but maybe there's some folks out
there that aren't starting their business.
Any other advice you wanna give?
Yes, I, if I could say anything
obviously besides like, get fed in
your spirit and come and Vibe is a
healthy and great church for you to
come in to do that in your next phase.
I do feel like getting started and
doing it, someone's out there, I
know they're listening, they're
like, I just can't get started.
I just don't have enough money.
I just don't have enough talent.
Mm-hmm.
There's someone better that's out
there, um, comparing themselves.
Just get started and I, I promise
if you put the work in and you get
started, um, the income will come.
Mm-hmm.
The success will come.
Um, you can reach, man.
There's people that I've met that
I'm like, you are definitely a
mult, multiple six figure business.
Mm-hmm.
And you're just sitting on it.
And so if you're sitting on it and
you feel like this is probably the
conversation that's gonna be like,
I was waiting on a sign from God.
Mm-hmm.
Let this be a sign.
Yeah.
Just get started.
Mm-hmm.
Do it.
Um, and it'll probably excel in
life if you just put the work in.
Yeah.
So yeah.
Get started.
I love it.
I love it.
Well, and oh, sorry.
Last thing.
And be passionate.
Oh yes.
Be passionate.
Yes.
So get started.
Be passionate about what you do.
Mm-hmm.
Put in the work.
Do you think you can find passion or
you have to be passionate going in?
You know, I've seen people in life that.
Well, I guess that's subjective.
Yeah.
If into it.
Way to drop a deep question.
Right.
When we're signing off, by the
way here, we gotta sign off.
I do think.
Yes.
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
I do think there's some people that
go into a space and they, they're not
passionate about that line of work.
Mm-hmm.
But they can be passionate about it.
Mm-hmm.
So it will grow, but it
takes a lot of effort.
But there's things that
naturally come passionate.
Like you're passionate about it naturally.
Yeah.
That'll probably be easier
for you to start in.
Okay, cool.
But I think you could do it.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Fantastic.
Sorry.
Awesome.
No, that's great episode.
Um, thank you again for coming Jackie.
I, this is amazing.
You're great.
I love all the hype pods.
I listen to every single one.
Listen, that's what we brought
you on, so just gasp me up.
Love it.
Thank you again.
And this is your first time
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Happens.
Jackie out.
Jackie, the good guys.
Call out the gift, call it out
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Sweet.
Um, thanks guys.
We'll see you next episode.
Cheers.
