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Ps Vance: I called somebody on my

Ps Adam: staff Gen X and she was
actually borderline millennial.

She was really offended.

I

Katrina: thought that I was Usually if

Ps Adam: you're Gen X you pray.

So if they're not proud,
then they're not Gen X.

Katrina: What is it though?

Is it up to 1980?

I

Ps Vance: think it's

Ps Adam: 1980.

Ps Vance: She's like 40.

And she was just barely millennial.

Katrina: No, I think it was a millennial.

I thought I was the oldest millennial.

You

Ps Vance: probably

Ps Adam: are.

Katrina: But then are you,
this is the cut off you and me.

How

Ps Adam: old are you?

Katrina: I'm, I turn, how old are you?

Ps Adam: I'm 43.

I'm turning 44 in about, um,

Katrina: I'm 43.

Two weeks?

43.

Wait, so

Ps Adam: you're saying
you're the oldest millennial?

Katrina: I thought that, I
thought 1980 was the cutoff.

Like the start.

Ps Adam: Thank you.

Katrina: Of millennials.

But that.

I think so.

Because it's like the beginning.

I don't know.

Ps Vance: But you're definitely
Gen X and you're proud.

Ps Adam: I'm definitely Gen X.

I've looked on multiple websites
and June 1980 falls into Gen X.

Do

Ps Vance: you feel like you're
the forgotten generation?

Uh.

Everybody always talks about millennials
and they always talk about boomers.

I feel like nobody talks about Gen X.

Oh.

Ps Adam: Really?

Ps Vance: Really.

That's

Ps Adam: what I feel like.

Oh no, like, I think boomer
is like a, it's like a thing.

Okay, boomer.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

What are the defining

Katrina: things for Gen X
then in this conversation?

Like what No, I think Gen X
What should we be proud of?

Ps Adam: Yeah, I dunno.

be honest with you, the 1980s,
eighties, we, we had friends episodes.

Yeah.

The eighties was cool.

Um, I think, yeah, I think it's that, uh,
NSYNC era and you know, that kind of vibe.

Like that's the gen, gen X nirvana.

A lot of ways, like the older

Ps Vance: millennials really
blend in with Gen XI feel like.

Yeah.

Yes.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: It's a blurry transition.

It's blurry.

You can, I think.

Where I'm at, I can understand
Gen X and I can laugh at Jen.

Well, you're a pastor

Ps Vance: of millennials as well.

Ps Adam: Like we have
a lot of millennials.

Yes, for sure.

So you get, you get millennials.

For sure.

I mean, I can look at people
my age and go, well, you look

really, you seem really old.

Why did you, like my neighbor is younger
than me, but he feels so much older.

He's like fully X.

Yeah, he's full X, you know, but anyway.

Um,

Katrina: well, I think it's our, it's
Gen X is the generation that remembers.

It's the internet starting, right?

Ps Adam: Yes.

Katrina: Okay.

Cause millennials probably like,
like at the, like the median age of

millennials won't remember any of that.

No.

Right?

Ps Adam: No.

Katrina: Or the change
up from carrying a pager.

Ps Adam: Oh, Blackberry.

Katrina: Blackberry.

Palm Pilots.

Ps Adam: Button phones.

Katrina: Like, would anybody
remember Palm Pilots?

Yeah.

Remember that?

With a pen.

Palm Pilots, yeah.

It's the first iPad.

Ps Vance: Yeah.

I do think, uh, Gen X and Millennials,
uh, kind of that, a lot of

them, half analog, half digital.

Yes.

Experience is a very
unique life experience.

Yes.

Yes.

Um, it's very different
from Boomer and Gen Z.

Yeah.

I think

Ps Adam: that one of the things to
understand about Gen Z, right, is when

you, um, understand, to understand a
Gen Z, they've always grown up with

immersive technology, digitally native.

So exactly.

So it's just their norm
is that expectation.

We, we know the backend
of how it came through.

And so I think we still see
it from a fairly fragile.

Perspective, whereas they've
got blind trust in technology.

Ps Vance: Do you think that, um, it's
going to cause a faster swing back to

the desire for in real life connection?

Cause I feel like, especially I'll
just speak for my generation, the

novelty of all this new tech digitally.

I was like, we became addicted real fast.

You know what I mean?

Like, and, and still today, I mean,
Gen X is like, And millennials, I think

we're powering Instagram at this point.

I think we still love it and
we're still very much engaged.

Uh, you know, Gen Z everything
has been not even Instagram.

It's been reels and tech docs.

So immersive, so addictive.

I wonder if they're going to
get to that burnout point.

Point faster and and really appreciate.

Um, I just want to be together.

Katrina: Yeah, I think so

Ps Vance: with my friends outside again

Katrina: There's a company i've
got to pull it up because as you're

saying this or I just remembered
there are now Companies that are

starting what looks like small
groups, but they're not church, right?

Oh for sure, right?

Oh,

Ps Adam: yes, i've seen the gatherings.

Katrina: Yes gatherings, right?

And so whether they're like Listening
parties or literally spaces in San

Francisco, where you can come sit
in a circle and have conversation

about similar things, which is a home
group, right, which is really funny.

You have to pay to be a member.

Which is just human

Ps Vance: life.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Katrina: Yeah.

So I, I agree.

I think that there is, I think
there's a swing towards that.

Having in real life connection, especially
with the church Having so many people

who have deconstructed their faith.

Yeah, it's coveted and people have
fallen so far away from connecting

Yeah and building the church For sure.

I I expect it.

I think people should

Ps Adam: yeah, I think we're now venturing
into uh, societal predictions, right?

Like what is society going to do?

When is it going to you know, get back
to just what we've seen in the past And

um, maybe it's not a full swing back,
but maybe it is a hybrid You Okay.

You know, maybe it is a, um, a
technology doesn't become everything,

but it empowers the thing.

You know, it becomes an easier way
to connect or, uh, rather than I

think where it's been is it's been
in a disconnect, disconnect from real

life, go full online, but then there's
the desire for in real life, but

not letting go fully of technology.

But has technology helped me curate?

Because, you know, you know,
Growing up, your friends were your

friends just because they were the
only people you had exposure to.

Uh, I think what technology does is,
well, can I find a field of friends

that I wouldn't necessarily have
exposure to, but because of technology.

Right.

Ps Vance: Do you think that's been, that's
probably been a net benefit to society?

Yeah, I think so.

For sure.

Ps Adam: I do think so, except in dating.

I still don't think online dating,
I mean, are we recording this now?

We aren't now because I'm like, Hey guys,
I thought we were just pre pre chatting.

Um, because, um, I know I'm going
to get a lot of backlash from people

who like, yes, but I found my spouse.

Yeah.

We know a lot of people.

That's a diamond in the rough.

That's the needle in the haystack
because for every success story, I've

got a horror story after horror story
hurt, you know, all that kind of stuff.

And so.

Um, the fact that you made it
through the gauntlet and you

came out to win it, that's great.

There is a winner in every race, um,
but there's a lot of losers in the race.

So you

Ps Vance: still think the superior,
uh, way to date is network driven,

family driven, church driven.

Ps Adam: Church driven, family driven.

Paramount.

Okay.

Values aligned.

Yeah.

Paramount.

I think what you get from dating in church
or finding your, uh, spouse in church,

I don't want to say dating in church.

I think finding your partner in church
is you've already got so many value

alignment if you're at the same church,
you know, uh, I think ministry, uh, uh,

uh, you know, doctrine, all those kinds
of things are already fairly out there.

Aligned, at least assumed.

Um, and then it's kind of like,
can I see them operate in a setting

without the pressure of dating?

Katrina: To find

Ps Adam: someone on a line and then
your first meeting is the pressure

of are we compatible in dating?

That's so much pressure.

Yeah, how do I see them
in their normal world?

How do I see them interact with people?

I never get to see that until it's too
late because i've now committed to a

relationship and all you get to see is
their best behavior Um, what people can

put on and people are very good at putting
on a mask for a long time, um, and hiding

their, their crazy or whatever it is.

And so what you get to see in a community
is you get to see people interact.

And I think.

What you'll find is, uh, I know you found,
uh, I found my spouse in the house, yeah.

Um, did you find No.

How did you Through friends.

Through friends.

Yeah, like,

Katrina: overlapping circles of friends.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yes.

So, what, what I got to see with,
with Kira, and even in the friend

circle, is you get to see them
interacting in a setting, in a

friendship setting, and, and you get
to decide, hey, I like, I like that.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I like that about them.

Ps Vance: You, you grew up in the church.

Um, would you say most of the people that
We're kind of in your peer group in the

church found their spouse in the house
like they found I would say a hundred

Ps Adam: percent of our peers.

So it's an effective

Ps Vance: means.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

It was either like at school that we
had a few friends at school that dated.

Remember I went to a Christian school
and then I went to probably the

biggest church that was in our city.

And so a lot of overlap between
the church and the school.

But in the Christian world.

In the Christian world, that was,
you know, either our church, another

church that we were connected with,
or like the ministries that would

come together, that Christian orbit.

Um, that was very connected in the city.

That was the field.

Ps Vance: And obviously you
probably kind of keep touch

and keep tabs here and there.

Have you seen a good success rate of that?

Oh, for sure.

Cool.

For sure.

Obviously, comparative to ones
that you know, that didn't find

their spouse in the church.

Yeah, absolutely.

And

Ps Adam: that's where I put my pastoral
hat on when I'm dealing with, you Um,

you know, breakup, divorce, marriage,
um, the, the, the bad people that got

together online, um, uh, uh, very high
for the, Hey, this didn't work out.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Kind of thing.

So what do you

Ps Vance: think, uh, do you think that
compared to your upbringing, uh, growing

up in the church to, to, uh, The church
that you pastor today, do you feel

like it's a similar amount of rate of
people kind of finding their spouse

in the house or no, is it declining?

And if it's declining,

Ps Adam: why?

Oh, I know exactly.

Okay.

Yeah.

I'm so glad you asked.

I know exactly why.

Because you've, you've rewired your brain.

You're looking for something
different when you're online

dating, you're looking at a profile.

a snapshot, a interests.

So I'm wanting to find, I'm literally
trying to match with someone who's

got the same interests as me.

Now, anybody who's projected
interest by the projected interest

or even, even, uh, yeah, what
they say is the interest, right?

Yeah.

Now you just had your anniversary.

Yeah.

Okay.

Congratulations.

13 years.

Congratulations.

I think around 10, 13 years, you start
to figure out we are so different.

We're so different.

Oh my gosh.

Maybe it's way earlier.

Yeah.

But it's not like it was our same
interests that got us together.

Yeah.

It was, um, mission, value,
alignment, commitment.

Yeah.

And okay, we really like each other.

Okay.

But we are so different.

Kira likes music that I don't like.

I like music Kira doesn't like.

I like movies she doesn't like.

But, but we like each other.

Yeah.

And so we saw that because we
developed a friendship and we

were literally best friends.

And because of the community
environment we built friendship

and then we took it to dating.

I think, uh, what you're seeing
with online dating is, hey, you

didn't match up to your profile.

Katrina: Hang on.

Hang on.

I

Ps Adam: signed up for this.

Those attributes.

I haven't seen you go hiking once.

You said you like outdoors, but
we spent all the time indoors.

You said you had abs.

Exactly.

Um, that photo was like 10 years old,
you know, and I think that that's

like, it's online dating becomes very
superficial and it feels, Oh my gosh,

I'm getting in trouble for this.

It feels desperate.

Wow.

Yeah.

It feels desperate to me to
go, uh, there's no one in my

world that fits my criteria.

So let me go online.

And I do think that online dating
is different for men and for women.

Yeah.

Why?

Well, I think women definitely go on
there hoping, wishing, praying to find the

person that they're not seeing in life.

Katrina: Wow.

Ps Adam: I think men go
on there for an easy date.

Katrina: Oh, for sure.

What do you mean?

Because there's Easy date though.

Easy date.

Let's talk in the context of church.

Well, there's a

Ps Adam: fishbowl of women
who are looking Yeah.

to go on a date.

Okay.

So it's no mystery.

Women don't get to play coy Yeah.

or like pretend to be not
interested in you and just Yes.

see if you really want to pursue them.

You're putting out there, I'm interested.

Yeah.

Someone take me on a date.

There's a supply demand issue, right?

Exactly.

There's a lot more

Ps Vance: women than men.

Ps Adam: Tons more because Yeah.

I think women have that
natural desire to pursue.

go, I, I really would love to
find my, my Prince Charming.

I wanna find that guy.

I wanna find man, man of, uh, but then
to, for, for a lot of the guys, I think

a lot of the guys who want online dating,
and I'm generalizing his, just please

note, but I think the guys that are
on there, uh, looking for, uh, maybe,

uh, uh, maybe a commitment free date.

Katrina: Mm.

Ps Adam: Oh, totally.

For sure.

Do you

Katrina: think there is then, maybe,
again generalizing, some arrested

development for men and learning how
to deal with rejection when it comes to

online, because if they're going for an
easy experience or if they're rejected,

you can just switch to think what,

Ps Adam: what determines the kind
of guy, I'm speaking to women, what

determines the kind of guy that
you should want to date is the one

who's willing to put in the work.

Katrina: Right.

Absolutely.

Absolutely.

Ps Adam: to and pursue you.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: But if you're making half the
work redundant by saying, Hey, here I am.

Now I am a big advocate for
girls, you know, going, Hey,

get into a group environment.

Don't just hang out
with girls all the time.

If girls only hang out with girls
and they do their girl hangs, their

girl trips, their girl things.

And I'm like, Hey, what guys
you've been talking to lately?

Like, ah, there's none.

Well, you haven't been
planning co ed stuff.

You haven't been planning
hangs and, you know, fun stuff.

If you're a young adult or you're single,
you should be actually having half of your

time that you spend with your girlfriends.

Other half should be with other people.

And hey, let's bring our
friends network together.

Yeah.

Um, but at least getting to know
people without the sign on your head.

Someone date me.

Katrina: Sure.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Katrina: How can you speak to the
guys in this experience as well?

Because the girls are, I feel,
again, general, are natural

about gathering friends together.

Mm hmm.

But to be a woman who gathers
women and then to choose which

guys to bring into your group is
kind of a weird No, I think the

Ps Adam: guys have got a
rest of development for sure.

Yeah.

I definitely think guys Um,
generally that I speak to, um, I

mean, they confuse me for sure.

I'm like, Hey, don't
you want to find a wife?

Um, and a lot of them
feel like I've got time.

Yeah.

I've got time.

I'm going to build a business first.

Yeah.

I'm gonna get, make some money first.

I mean, they like the attention
of, um, of girls and they like the

options, but there's no urgency.

Katrina: Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

So what should so speak
to the guys well, I won't

Ps Adam: I do I want them

Go going from hot commodity to
old news happens very quickly.

Yeah you you're flirting with that
line and Hate to say it the next

conversation we have may just be
no one's interested in you Totally.

Yeah.

Ps Vance: Yeah, it makes me think to
like from a ministry angle how important

young adult ministry is how important
those small groups are yep How important

it is for men and women, uh, to really
step up in leadership, uh, to make sure

we're creating those spaces and places.

Um, and probably what's competing
for that a little bit attention

wise is dating apps, right?

Because maybe they feel like it's
somehow being fulfilled, um, in

that season through a dating app.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Yeah.

I think it's, um, very much.

It's.

Yeah.

There is a societal issue.

I think, um, a lot of
technology is to blame.

So maybe technology definitely pushed
us away from the in person gathering.

So then we tried to use
technology to fix it.

Um, but unfortunately I think that
maybe the only solution is IRL.

Maybe you need to get back to it in real
life gathering and in real life community

and in real life, uh, dinners, lunch.

So for me, I, even in our
company, I want to invest.

Ps Vance: Well, we invested, um, a
little over a year ago in a digital in

real life kind of hybrid called base.

Yes.

Right.

Miami based company.

Uh, and what really captivated us is
we felt that the thesis could actually

eventually be translated into the church.

But the whole thesis was
this, that instead of.

Kind of Tinder and
facilitating one on one dates.

What if we facilitated eight
person dinner parties, right?

Already, actually, the founder was
teaching us that already you're

maximizing your chance for success.

Cause if you don't like the
person you're sitting to on the

right, you just turn to the left.

You know what I mean?

And also increasing the amount
of people around the dinner table

actually increases the likelihood
of interesting conversation.

But they have this.

base AI.

So they do have a tech component.

Um, it's more than just kind of an event
curator, but base AI, once they're getting

to kind of critical mass of membership,
they're able to actually pair the

right kind of mix for the dinner party.

Right.

So they kind of categorize people
in different categories like scholar

or artist or, you know, civic
engaged or technologist and whatnot.

And you want like a
balanced mix of people.

You actually don't want.

people.

Exactly.

You want a diversity of people and that
dinner party setting and it's blowing up.

Actually, it's one of our best portfolio
companies, uh, right now, um, because of

Ps Adam: that thesis.

And I like the thesis where you get
a mix of people because I think we've

gone, we've What online dating tries to
do that the main reason it's faulted is

because it's working of compatibility.

Yeah Yes, are you compatible with this
person and it's based on interest likes?

Well, there's your problem because
What you want is in a successful

married couple is where you're strong.

I'm weak, but where I'm
weak, you're strong.

And so it's complimentary,
not compatibility.

They're different.

Can our differences compliment
each other to make a power couple?

Katrina: It's also based
on who you are right then.

I mean, I think, I think if LJ,
we met in our 30s, you know, and

I think if I mean where we were
in our 20s was very different.

And so I think that's the trick.

It's such an awesome thing about bringing
people together in friends groups because

you kind of learn a little bit more about
what you are by bumping up against other

people's experiences, which is awesome.

But um, I want to kind of use this
as a segue because Arun, um, who's

not here, which we should know.

Oh

Ps Adam: yeah.

Arun's putting out fires.

I know.

Crypto fires.

Katrina: A lot of them.

But I guess.

He's going

Ps Adam: to be busy.

Katrina: So, uh, sorry Arun, I'm
not going to follow all your notes.

But you did send us something,
um, that was on Harrison.

Butler who is the kicker?

Oh, yes chiefs.

Yeah, I did watch the speech which
was really I don't know if you

caught a big speech Of course.

Oh, of course.

I saw the Catholic guy.

Yeah, I'd love to pivot a little bit
They're just a comment on and get your

reaction to it Yes We're talking about
relationships and dating and I think a

lot of times because of technology and
media and other things We don't always

know what what's going on We there's
like an industrialized understanding of

what you think you're supposed to be.

Yeah, and I think he comments
on all of it Yeah, gender roles.

Yeah gender roles and um, so if you
haven't If you caught the speech, you'll

definitely tell you should catch it.

He gave a speech, a commencement
speech at, um, a college

that is a Catholic college.

And so was the right setting for all of
this that he had to say, but he commented

on multiple things on, um, policies
around COVID, um, vaccinations, et cetera.

But one of the things that's getting the
most heat is around his comments around

women and their place as homemakers.

Well,

Ps Vance: he was
celebrating his wife, right?

Absolutely.

Katrina: Yeah.

And, and finding such purpose in being a
mom and a homemaker and really encourage

that, but got a lot of slack for that.

So I love what he did.

Ps Adam: It's, um, I mean, of
course he got reaction because

he's touching secret cows, right?

He's going against feminist movements
that are trying to over empower women

and at the cost of Uh, traditional
gender roles and he, I saw that the

interview, I thought it was brilliant.

He, he said, many of you, many of
you women, he spoke specifically to

women, are looking forward to going on,
becoming CEOs and running companies.

But I'm going to guess.

There are a majority of you that are
already thinking about your marriages

and your kids that you're going to have.

It's not like he can say, Hey
men, you're going to be looking

forward to the kids because a man
can't have a kid on their own.

Sure.

Okay.

Yeah.

And traditionally he's advocating,
Hey, what a great endorsement.

Not just one sided.

Which most college speeches are
like, you're all going to go on

and kill it and build companies.

Well, what if some of
you go and make families?

Yeah, that's actually hugely successful.

What a great purpose in life.

And of course that just goes
against the narrative, doesn't it?

Katrina: Yeah.

Yeah.

I mean, it's the thing he's
getting the most slack for, right.

Yeah.

Which he don't care

Ps Adam: though.

Katrina: Yeah,

Ps Adam: he really doesn't care.

I love this about him.

He doesn't care and he's as
much slack as he's getting He's

getting that much support, too.

I think

Ps Vance: so.

It's funny.

Just if you think about it, uh,
okay follow the science, right?

Yeah pragmatically Um, we're approaching
declining birth rates in the united states

of america So he's actually doing more
to promote the future of america than

most people are of course By encouraging.

Hey, if you are looking forward
to being a mom You Good on you.

That's great.

But I think he's also addressing

Ps Adam: a lie that women have been told.

Yes.

Women have been sold a lie
that for you to be significant,

you have to put family aside.

You have to be successful because
you can do everything a man can do.

That sentence has sold women a lie.

Of course there is a quality.

Of course you could start a company,
but what can you do that men can't?

Yeah.

Wow.

We've, we've reversed it.

You can do everything.

You're trying to match up to a man.

Well, what about what men
can't do, but is uniquely you?

Wow.

That actually makes you special
and incredible and celebrate that.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: And, uh, I think society
has, uh, done, done women a dirty.

Katrina: I think it's really,
it's the only woman here.

So I guess I can say.

Speak to it, but I have to say that having
gone to a very liberal arts college.

Yes, and um having in new

Ps Adam: york

Katrina: I lived in new york
and did my you were part

Ps Adam: of feminist groups.

Katrina: No, no,

Ps Adam: okay

Katrina: I was like wait, maybe I

Ps Adam: You never know
until you kind of never know.

Katrina: No, but to that point you
sometimes don't know What the values

are that you line up with when you're
in college, so that's a whole nother

point but I would say that When
you're, and for me, I was in theater,

but also doing sales for startups.

And so in that space.

Your thought about having a family is
that you have to sacrifice everything.

Right.

Oh, wow.

And that you're going to take
your, take yourself off the table.

Right.

To, and, and sacrifice career,
sacrifice plan, sacrifice everything.

So if you want one, you
can't have the other.

And that's.

Which is a lie.

Right.

And so I think it's really interesting
because I don't, and then even those who

don't want both, I think that's okay too.

But you kind of have to, as a woman in,
in that space, which again is a lie, but

in those Experiences you self select.

Yeah, and you're like am I an
ambitious ambitious person?

Yes, I am Okay I'm gonna have to
put off marriage and put off family

and put off my dreams for that
space and Maybe God can do both.

I don't know but if I have to do these
things on my own I'm gonna have to choose

career and make money for myself And yeah,

Ps Adam: I feel sorry for for the girls
that got fed that lie and believe that

lie I really do because I feel like
there's deep regret in a lot of women

who You Felt like, Oh, for me to be known
or justified in whom I am and my skills

will be seen, I need to deny being the
Susie housemaker and I need to be, uh,

you know, this killer out there and I
need to wear suits and suit pants to

crush it and all those kinds of things.

When you actually, the feminine movement
told you to get rid of your femininity.

Yes.

And a big part of your
femininity is the capacity of

a woman to do all those things.

To be able to not have to choose
either or, but I could do both.

Yeah.

Creative.

I can be creative.

I can be endearing.

I can actually build a home.

I can bring children into the world.

I can build a family and
I can build business.

Katrina: Yeah.

I mean, absolutely.

You kind of, you wear the accolade
of being the only woman in the room

or the only woman at the table,
which is an unfortunate thing, but

that you totally buy into the lie
that that is the way it has to be.

You have to then pave the
path for all other women.

But in the meantime, you're not
making a family happen and you

come up to the other end of it.

It may be so late for so
many and, and you know,

Ps Adam: yeah, and I think it's like
this is in wired, uh, or instilled,

um, competitive nature that for
you to compete with men, uh, well

then you need to give up this.

Well, why are you competing with men?

Katrina: Yeah.

It's a great question.

Ps Adam: Is anybody telling
men to compete with women?

No.

It's not compliment.

Yeah, it's compliment.

Yeah partnership.

Katrina: Yeah.

Yeah I mean it it's hard to have this
conversation because at the same time

there still is an imbalance like even
as we Earlier, we're talking about where

all the women founders we're trying
that we want to bring into a startup

showcase and I think that I don't know.

I'd love to understand that why
there aren't enough women at the

table in that space too that we
can pull up And and highlight and I

Ps Adam: think it's great to see
uh women if that's their calling

to be a founder And they want
to start a company go for it.

Yeah um, but at the same time Um,
is that, is there a dire issue in

society that's causing that issue?

I don't think it is.

Yeah.

I think it's the same why aren't there
historically, uh, female, um, minors

or engineers or something like that.

Maybe because there's not
that desire to go that way.

Katrina: Do, when you say, is
there a societal issue, do you

mean there's not systemic system?

There's not systemic issues.

Marginalization.

Marginalizing women.

Yeah.

Out of these spaces.

Yeah.

Okay.

I just want to clarify
for all the listeners.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

No, I don't.

I just, I'm just saying
there's zero limits.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: I think if a, if a female had
a burning desire to start a company

today, I would say there are no societal
limits to you starting that company.

Yeah.

I think there are more advantages.

Yeah.

To, to get funding opportunities.

There are so many opportunities for
funding for special categories of people.

Yeah.

Um, I was talking to, uh, my
friend and he got in a black

founders group and it's like, cool.

Well that's something
I could never get into.

Katrina: Right.

Yeah.

No, you couldn't.

No,

Ps Adam: no.

But there are female funding,
funding and all that kind of stuff.

And so we're at a better time
than ever for someone to do it.

So, so the reason that
there may be not a large.

Group of female founders isn't
because society is pressing

women down is what i'm saying.

Ps Vance: There might be a
difference between Marginalization

and representation.

Sure.

Yeah, that's a great way to put
it I do think that part of that

desire, uh, will come from if you see
somebody like you doing something.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Vance: You know what I mean?

And that can serve as inspiration.

It might be not the totality,
but it can serve as inspiration.

Like, Oh cool.

Like I can see myself doing that too.

Um, and I do think that as there
are more female founders, it might

perpetuate more female founders.

Um, you know, I think a lot of times
the argument gets focused less on

representation and marginalization, right?

And oppression.

Um, and so I think you have to
figure out at what, Angle, do

you, uh, analyze the situation?

Um, and are we trying to create
equal outcomes or are we trying

to create equal opportunities?

Right.

Cause equal outcomes is not necessarily
what is actually best for society.

Right.

Um, so you can't just say broad stroke.

Oh, I need this amount of people,
this amount of people, this amount of

people, this amount of people in this
craft, and that's going to be optimal.

You know what I mean?

Um, maybe what's optimal is a certain
amount of people in this craft, right?

Um, and so, but I do think that if there
are things that are limiting people, and

I think what Pastor Adam is saying is
there's not a lot of things limiting you

to be able to do anything, um, that then
obviously would need to be addressed.

And I don't

Ps Adam: even think there are,
it is equal, um, opportunity.

I think it's advantageous opportunity.

Yeah.

I think right now to be a female
founder or to be part of a minority

classic, what society says a minority
class, marginalized, you actually

get advantageous opportunity, which
that's coming from probably people

in the investment industry that have
decided, well, we're underrepresented.

So let's carve out a certain amount of
investment that will go only to that.

I don't understand their drive.

They feel like they're filling
a void maybe for future things

or what they missed out on.

Maybe that's the motivation.

Their motivation isn't certainly isn't.

Let's optimize spend.

If I was optimizing investment, I
wouldn't categorize a carve out just a

certain, you know, marginalized group so
that we can only select from that pool.

I would want the widest
pool of potential founders.

Correct.

Ps Vance: Yeah.

I mean, uh, Mark Cuban, he's
using, it might be semantics

cause he, I think is getting into
arguments with Elon Musk on X.

And basically he says that his diversity
programs do do what you're saying.

It widens the pool.

His, his purpose for his
diversity programs is to widen

the pool as big as possible.

Right.

I think what you're saying is some
people actually, um, use these

programs and they limit the pool.

Ps Adam: I don't see
how they widen the pool.

Yeah.

That's his argument.

I don't see how it could
possibly widen the pool.

Maybe you could get the attention
of people that wouldn't consider

maybe starting a company.

But right there, if potential funding
got the attention of someone who wouldn't

start a company to start a company,
I'm actually starting from a deficit.

I want to find people who are
self motivated to start companies.

I want to invest in that.

So to section out a pool to only a
certain, you know, type of fish, then

I'm actually minimizing the pool.

Sure.

I think

Ps Vance: the, uh, advantage that
the language we actually use in our

investing thesis, um, specifically
is underestimated, underestimated.

Katrina: I

Ps Vance: think underestimated,
uh, spans beyond.

Ethnicities, it spans beyond industries.

It spans beyond backgrounds.

It spans beyond upbringings.

And it actually is distinctly on the areas
where nobody is paying attention to, or

people specifically don't understand.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Ps Vance: Therefore, it's underestimated.

Exactly.

And it could be correlated
with somebody's background.

It could be correlated that they
didn't go to Stanford or Harvard.

It could be correlated to nobody
understands the faith space.

And that that's actually a big
opportunity business wise, right?

It could be correlated with some of
those things, but I think it spans that

and it's more precise language, right?

Uh, yeah, because

Ps Adam: that proves my point.

Cause what we saw in the investing is
it was curated to particular pedigree.

It was like, if you already had like
a graduate degree from this college,

well, then that's where the focus was.

But if you didn't have that college degree
from that particular pedigree of college,

then you weren't really considered.

But we're seeing all these brilliant
founders, irregardless of their pedigree,

their background, their race, or whatever.

We saw, wow, look at the
value in this person.

So it's underestimated, but it's there.

Let's, let's invest there.

Ps Vance: Yeah.

I mean, if you, uh, I don't know the stats
in front of me, but I would guess because

there's a large proportion of people I
know that have graduated from Stanford,

Harvard that have got accepted into Y
Combinator, for example, I do think that

they definitely use that as a signal.

Um, right.

And there's certain, obviously
consulting companies and things like

that, that Specifically, exclusively
recruit from these pedigreed schools.

And so that's the idea, right?

Is that, Hey, um, can we look
in areas where nobody else is?

That's actually where the alpha is.

That's where the upside is.

Um, because we get in at
reasonable prices, uh, cause

nobody's competing for them,

Ps Adam: but can I bring it back
to the gender roles for a second?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Because I'm a dad of daughters and for
me, I, I have talked about this with

my brothers before, because I get the
privilege and I love my daughters.

I believe in them.

I believe that they get to
literally, there is no limit.

I teach them.

There's no limit.

What do you want to do?

Like, let's, let's go for it.

Let's, let's figure out
what your passion is.

We talk about them pursuing their passion.

What are they passionate about?

What do you want to do in life the most?

And I'm going to fund that.

I'm going to get behind that.

I'm going to be the biggest fan advocate.

I'm going to do that.

I asked my brothers, do
you do that with your boys?

And they're like, well, a little
bit more pressure because you're

gonna have to provide son.

Katrina: You

Ps Adam: want a family?

You're gonna have to do your
best to get good grades.

And so there's a different pressure.

He's pushing his sons to do well because
there's a lot more weight on his role.

Whereas I get to explore with my girls.

What do you want to do?

Wow.

The sky's the limit.

Hmm.

Let's, let's dream.

It's not just around, well, you're
going to have to provide for kids.

You can have to provide for, you know,
a husband here, but that is definitely

a real life roles that still exist.

That's good.

Katrina: Yeah, I would say I think I was
raised similarly and I had a single mom.

Yep Until she you know, she
married remarried later in life

Yep, and and things switched when
she got married to my stepdad.

Okay, and the way he approached
Helping and funding me and my

brother was very different.

Yes, and literally what you said I
think just understanding those type

of gender roles that they grew up
with but my mom Um, tried her best

as a mom to be a mom and dad that,
Hey, you have to choose a path.

You know, she said to both of
us, you have to choose a path,

but when you son choose a path.

Ps Adam: See, that's, that's what I
think is that Harrison, uh, was, was

saying, uh, he wasn't degrading women.

Yeah.

He was in peril.

He definitely wasn't.

Hey guys, it is just as valuable if you
want to go and be a CEO of a company

and put that, you know, career first.

Or if you want to put family first.

They're just as valuable.

That's what he was saying.

Katrina: I think, I think
it's interesting though.

Yeah, I mean It's funny because people
are going to hear this and they're

going to really have to break down
whether they've been fed this lie even

they have been fed the lie and you have

Ps Adam: been lied to

Katrina: and i'm excited i'm excited
for people to hear this episode because

i think there will be a breakdown
of getting down to like the the bare

bones of i can tell you i can tell

Ps Adam: you if you you know how
you know you've been lied to that

if you only see a career success
In your resume as successful.

Oh, for sure.

Yeah.

Then you've been lied to,
that's you've believed a lie.

Yeah.

That if you look down on women who
chose not to do career and chose to

have children and be a home, even a
at home mom or a home business mom,

well then you've believed the lie.

But I guarantee that you speak to those
moms, and they've, they're quite happy.

Katrina: Yeah, I think, I think
there are a lot of moms though

who are still struggling though.

Ps Adam: Sure.

Katrina: That I talk to often that are
still struggling with the understanding

of whether they should feel justified
or validated in their role at home,

you know, and they struggle with
trying to balance all of the above.

But it's interesting because
your comment is that it's a gift

of capacity that women have.

Um, I wonder if you could bring in
what you were talking about at the

staff meeting, because I think when
you were talking about no limits is.

It, it will help to deliver people . Yeah.

From this lie that, that we're saying
people today, I was just talking to the

Ps Adam: staff about this simple statement
that you live to the level of your limits.

Yeah.

Self-imposed limits, self-imposed
limits that you actually, in a, you,

you actually put on the inside of you.

So you believe a narrative about yourself.

You know, there are thoughts that will
come in that are constantly waging war.

You know, the way that, um,
uh, Joyce Meyer says, it's

like a battlefield of the mind.

There are these opposing thoughts
that will always operate.

Like when there's a task or an
opportunity, you're battling

inadequacy, uh, insecurity, all
these thoughts that you're battling.

Now, if you let them live, they become
your narrative, which will cause you to

fall out or pull away from opportunities.

But if you Take, it's not the fact
that you had those thoughts, but

you've got to take those thoughts
captive is what Paul says, right?

And I actually make them a
prisoner to my true calling in

Christ who I know I'm to be.

It's a counter narrative.

I'm going to choose to believe
what God says over me over what

my negativity says over me, but we
live to the level of our limits.

And I was talking about it in the
context of pastoring, mentorship.

Um, I can mentor people, but
I, that will give me limits.

On what I can approach.

They will, they will be like, Hey,
talk to me about business, but

don't talk to me about my marriage.

And the problem is.

The breakthrough is in your marriage,
your business breakthrough comes from

your healthy marriage at home life.

Are people that explicit?

No, they're not that explicit,
but when you touch on it, it's

a touch here, it's no go area.

It's a reaction.

Step back.

Step back.

And it's like a little tantrum
or a little like, yeah, no,

we're not going to do that.

You know, that kind of vibe.

Um, and it's, it's unspoken,
but it's very obvious.

Um, and so, and that's fine.

That's fine.

But you live to the level.

of your limits.

And so until you're willing to
approach that area and be vulnerable

in that area, that's going to be
the limit on your life and maturity.

Katrina: Yeah.

It was so good.

I feel, I'm hoping as people listen to
this that, that they take that because

as you uncover what the lies are.

Well, I, and I want to go on

Ps Adam: record to reiterate that I
think women have an incredible capacity.

I think women uniquely have an incredible
capacity to have multiple plates spinning.

Very good at bringing in an emotional
element within a cognitive element.

And the, what I've witnessed with my wife.

Um, women that I know that I work with
their ability to think on multiple

levels all at once is very impressive.

Um, I think men have a very clear
capacity to focus and block things out.

So I think when I look at men and their
traits and what they're able to do, women

and their traits and what they're able
to do, there are some unique gift sets

that I think are meant to compliment each
other in a workplace, in a home setting.

All those kinds of things.

You take an element of that out of
the home, your home is in deficit.

You take a woman out of the
home, you take a man out of the

home, the home is in deficit.

Can single mums be successful?

Yes.

But is it optimal?

No.

Right.

Well, it's not the ideal plan.

Yeah.

No, it's not the ideal plan.

I'm an advocate for the home.

I'm an advocate for the family unit,
and I think it's an opportunity to

actually validate as Harrison was
saying, guys, being a, having kids

and being a mom, being married,
that's a great endeavor in life.

It's

Ps Vance: beautiful.

We, we say, um, that we actually
have five startups, Overflow,

Lennox, Emerson, Tatum, and Wesley.

Right.

Um, because they're our most
treasured assets, right?

They're not even on the plane of overflow.

They're like way above it.

And it's like the greatest privilege.

Yeah.

You know,

Katrina: for sure.

Do you find, Pastor Vance, when
you are speaking to your kids, you

have one son, the rest are girls.

Do you speak to them differently,
even with them being that young?

Oh, that's

Ps Adam: a great question.

Ooh.

As you're,

Katrina: cause you're shaping them.

I mean, Tatum's young, but are you harder

Ps Vance: on him?

I don't know, um, if the difference
is in being harder or not.

I think I'm definitely
hardest on the eldest.

It's more of a Lennox responsibility
thing because she's pioneering.

She's going before and she
obviously just is more capable.

Then all of them at every stage.

Right.

And so I need her to look after
her younger siblings, whether

Lennox was a boy or a girl.

Uh, obviously she's a girl.

And so I think how I'm
different with Tatum.

Um, and it's actually just,
it's a partnership because

he's naturally wired this way.

He's just way more active.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Ps Vance: Um, and my girls are just
way more snugly, if that makes sense.

Those are probably not the best, most
distinct adjectives, but like my,

my girls are literally like my wife.

Dad talked to me.

Yes.

I just want to hang and Tatum is
like, let's throw a ball like,

like it's literally like that.

And so I think I definitely have different
relationship based on gender for sure.

Because of those proclivities
that are just natural and

innate, I feel like in them.

Um, so yeah, I would say
there's definitely a difference.

Katrina: I can see so as a mom, I can
see it too with me and my kids with Leo.

If he wants to have a conversation, we
go on a walk, run and it opens him up.

He actually has conversation if
we're doing something together.

And like you said, I, uh, she is, if she.

If she wants attention, LG has to earn it.

He has to have spent time with her
and then she'll open up again, you

know, and I, it's, it's so funny.

There's an emotional buy in.

Yes.

Really?

And then, and then, then
she's snuggly again.

You know what I mean?

It's, it's, it's really funny.

It's just so funny.

Like, you

Ps Vance: know, it's a,
it's a classic thing, right?

Um, women in your life.

So what are you thinking?

I'm like, I'm literally thinking nothing.

There's like nothing in between.

Yeah, I was enjoying the silence.

Yeah, it was just like,
there's literally just blank.

I

Katrina: still think that's really weird.

I want to go deep.

Ps Vance: I'm like, I'm not that deep.

Ps Adam: It's like, we should see this.

What'd you get?

How long was I out?

Where was I?

Cause I was in nothing land.

Katrina: I wonder, you know, I think
if I can go back a little bit to

like, uh, people having chosen Um,
maybe the lie or definitely the lie,

but maybe they've chosen the lie to,
um, choose career over their role

at home or et cetera, et cetera.

I want to touch on like loneliness, if
we can, a few months ago, there was an

article that came out that talked about
how, you know, I think it was Menlo

Park, but definitely here in the Silicon
Valley that there was an emergency state

of loneliness in the Silicon Valley.

Oh,

Ps Adam: yeah, yeah.

I've heard, I've seen these reports.

And I want to see if

Katrina: these are related to you.

I want to know from the both
of you, because if we can bring

it back to just hype context.

Is there a, is the stigma of
the founder experience true

that it is a lonely experience?

Is it the struggles of a founder
or even just in this tech space of

having, you know, Working is remote
and you don't have IRL connections.

Is this emergency state of loneliness
a real thing and is it justified?

And what should our response be?

Ps Adam: I definitely think it's a thing.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: I a hundred percent
think that there are a lot

of lonely people out there.

I think there are a lot of
people that are isolated.

So, so isolation will lead to loneliness.

That if you're working from
home, your only interactions,

probably most of the week, uh, a
zoom meeting faces on a screen.

And a lot of these companies
don't even have screen on.

So you're just listening to voices
and you're trying to chip in.

I think what you've substituted for the.

Benefit of convenience, you know, sitting
in your pajamas all day and working

from home to the hassle of, you know,
commuting and actually being in office

with people, you're, you're sacrificing
human connection, you're sacrificing

the fatigue of being around people.

And enjoying time alone to now you're
going from time alone to time alone

And now you are going to disdain
to say that all I am is alone.

That's the conclusion.

So you are alone and so Uh, then when
you get around people you're probably

a bit weird Yeah, because that's what I
was gonna say you're suffocating I could

Ps Vance: tell that there is definitely
some state of loneliness because so

many socially awkward people socially
Awkward because you're suffocating

Ps Adam: people and those people
need to be everything to you.

Yeah and everything for you
Instead of Just an addition to the

conversations that you've been having.

Yeah.

And so you've been isolated.

You've probably been, you know, listening
to podcast opinions and now you'll get

around people who will listen to you.

Yeah.

And now you're fleshing all your

Katrina: You're regurgitating.

Yeah.

That's not really fleshed out

Ps Adam: stuff.

You know what I mean?

Yeah.

So I think there, there is
definitely a state of loneliness.

Yeah.

Um, that is perpetuated
by your decisions though.

You cannot blame technology
for isolation or loneliness.

You can blame yourself that your desire.

I was having this conversation with,
um, my, my twins the other day, we

were talking about how, how annoying,
you know, COVID season was and

that, you know, forced in home and
they were like, dad, we liked it.

Yeah.

Yeah.

They loved it because
they got to just wake up.

Late.

They got to do class in their pajamas
and they got to be at home all the time.

So they, their whole generation
look at back at COVID fondly.

Yes.

Katrina: They

Ps Adam: not like us where we had
to see COVID and the pandemic as a

major problem and disruption to life.

They were forming through COVID.

So it was a fond situation.

season where like two years
they got to be at home.

Katrina: Oh, there were some kids that
had a really hard time going back that

and in the public school district that
are how that where we live, they had

to create a program for kids that were
not ready to go back and still exist.

Right.

And some kids who still honestly
go back to school with masks on

because they're uncomfortable.

No, no, and they don't have, they have no
condition, no medical condition outside of

Ps Adam: No, no, my
girls have got that too.

There's people who literally,
they're masks people because

they love the fact of hiding.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: They love the,
the covering their face.

Yeah.

So, I mean, it's produced
some weirdness for sure.

What

Katrina: about for the founders though?

Cause there is that stigma and I
hear it again and again, and I see

it so often come up, I hear it from
founders that it is a struggling,

lonely journey to start a business.

Ps Adam: I don't think it's, it's lonely.

It's a struggle.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: I mean, Starting
a company is difficult.

It's, it's, it starts with excitement and
the excitement goes pretty quickly as soon

as you have to, you know, keep this going.

And I think the, the, uh, the
test of the metal of a founder

is, can you keep it going?

Can you get it beyond each stage?

Um, and I think that there are,
there are beautiful plateaus and

rewards when you build a company
through a certain stage and you have

breathing room or you get some runway.

And then it's exciting again, but
then you're going to go through

that loop again to go, well, uh,
the, the runway's running out.

I need to get more investment.

I need to get more buy in.

And it is, it's a much longer
process than you think.

Yeah, I know I'm not giving great
excitement around having a company.

Ps Vance: I would actually also
bring it back to the church You

know, we kind of started this with
the church in relation to dating.

Yeah as a founder I think the the
mirage the lie we're talking about lies.

Maybe that's a title of the
podcast here Is that I need?

To connect with people
that understand my struggle

Ps Adam: and

Ps Vance: I need to connect with people
just like me and I need to find a

founder group and a founder network.

And I'm part of some of
those, and those are great.

I think there's a place for them.

Um, but what I love about the
church is the diversity and the

contrast and the generations.

And you know, that not everybody
is doing the same thing I am.

You know what I mean?

And it gives me a breath of fresh air.

I was actually talking to
somebody the other day and.

You know, she was telling me this
story and it just reminded me

how as you refresh others, you
yourself will be refreshed, right?

If you just don't have a me centric
point of view on life and you

understand, Oh, I got into this business.

To help people anyways, and I
need to be plugged into community.

Um, that's the best way to get out of
your isolation, out of your loneliness.

Here's the thing.

If you're looking for the best manicured
founder network with, it's just people

over 10 million in ARR and they know
exactly how to fundraise just like you do.

It's the same thing with a spouse.

Like it's probably not going
to be that exciting because the

excitement in life is contrast.

So

Katrina: good.

The excitement in

Ps Vance: life is the diversity of.

Community.

So, so

Ps Adam: I want to double tap on
that because looking at a founder

network, I believe in founder
networks for the right reason.

Exactly.

If you're going to a founder network,
thirsty, meaning I need people who get

me and people are going to encourage me.

People in that network,
I'm going to like you.

If you go into a marriage needing love,
needing attention, that marriage is going

to be toxic because you need, need, need.

You go into a marriage because
you're in a position to give.

I got so much love to give.

I've got so much time to give.

I want to love on somebody.

I got to go into a network because
I feel like I can encourage people.

I feel like I could bless people.

That would make, that's what
makes a harmonious founder

network and a harmonious marriage.

But if, guess what?

You're trying to get into a
founder network because everyone's

at the next level above you.

Guess what?

The people above you are not interested.

In talking to you because you needy

Ps Vance: exactly so we've seen it in
going to encourage all aspects, right?

We've talked about it dating.

It's the same thing.

Yep founder networks pastor networks.

Yep, like anything.

Yep Yep in life.

It's really that posture like oh,
maybe You know, I'm lonely and, um,

to get out of that, I actually need
to give what I want to receive.

Exactly.

Give what you want to get.

Katrina: Yeah.

That's so good.

I'm going to pull it up here
because, because Amen Experience

is right around the corner.

Oh, it's going to be amazing.

And talking about in real life.

Ps Adam: It's it's the place to be.

Katrina: Yeah.

And it's a milestone every year.

We launched Hype Network
two years ago at Amen.

That's so cool.

And with amazing electric.

You know, wall to wall
filled rooms, hype sessions.

Yeah.

It's, uh, it's elevated
last year into a hype house.

Yes.

And this year we're bringing
the hype house back.

Bring it

Ps Adam: back, baby.

So many amazing

Katrina: sessions, the art of innovation,
the art of fire, the art of wine.

I'm really excited.

I'm so excited

Ps Adam: about that one.

Katrina: Um, the art of digital currency,
but can we talk about it for a moment?

Yes.

Cause I think this, even
as we're talking about.

The lies and the mirage and everything.

This is not a mirage.

There's no mirage.

Real life.

Yes.

God relationships.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Uh, real presence of
God, real miracles, uh, real

inspiration, real connections.

So, um, I usually let Vance do a little
advertisement for Amen because he's just

really good at articulating what it is.

And I say to God, Oh, I want to go there.

Um, but to be honest with you, my
conviction is, um, getting your face in

the place is going to be so important.

Yeah.

Getting around people, getting,
um, You know, what makes good

relationships is history.

You know, when you get around
people, you've known for a long

time, you've got a history together.

You're like, Oh bro,
remember that time there.

But, but that takes time and
you've got to be present.

And so I'm saying like, get here, get some
history, get some experiences, listen to

things together, communicate, connect.

I mean, from the, the people that we've
got coming, uh, they, I mean, of course

they're Industry edgy, amazing people
that you're going to learn from, but

you're also going to learn sideways.

You're going to have connection
with people that are going to be key

relationships that you don't know how
they're going to affect your future.

Yeah, but I have an inkling that they're
going to be instrumental to your future.

Ps Vance: You know, I think the
definition of a movement is not stagnant.

And so what I love about, you
know, you pastor, Adam, your

vision for a main conference is
that there's always something new.

There's always something fresh.

It's like, um, a fresh river.

Right.

Uh, and I think that anointing is on
the river, not the swamp, you know?

And so.

If you love last year, um, you're going
to even love this year even better.

Even more.

I mean, over 30 breakout sessions,
over 30 of these art of sessions

where you're literally hearing from
industry experts, our friend Chi Wah.

Who is doing a session, I believe
on wealth creation, my goodness,

is probably one of the preeminent
VCs in the Silicon Valley.

And he's literally giving insider
insights only available at a man.

What a privilege.

What a privilege to be able to, uh,
be in a place in space where God has

given specific people downloads and
they're willing to freely share it.

Katrina: Yeah.

Right.

Ps Vance: Um, and it's not like this
is like a Tony Robbins conference.

You're going to give an arm
and a leg and 10, 000 bucks.

Like it's like actually quite affordable.

Yes.

Um, for the value, especially
that you're going to get back.

But not only that, think of it as an
investment, an investment into where

lifelong relationships, um, are catalyzed,
where potential co founders are found.

Yeah.

Uh, where you'll hear from God, that's
something that we can kind of guarantee.

Yeah.

And I love that mix.

Ps Adam: I love the hybrid of the
fact that you get inspired from a very

practical session in a hype house.

And that night you get to experience
the presence of God and miracles,

and you get to be part of something
that we can't even explain.

Like the way that God just shows up.

Yeah.

What happened?

What happened?

I remember last year, one of the
sessions, we just kind of things

opened up and there was just a moment
where everyone was just lifting

their hands and it was so powerful.

You felt the potent
power of God in the room.

Faith was at an all time high.

People getting healed.

It was incredible.

It was But that was in the same day that
we were talking about cryptocurrency and

how to, how to craft your pitch deck.

And so there was highly practical, highly
inspirational and then just a movement.

Um, today I just confirmed that we're
going to have Jason Ma there, Jason, um,

just got a incredible funding, uh, to,
uh, produce 10 films, 350 million deal.

Like.

We've got the best of the best.

We're going to come and inspire.

Teach you what they've
learned that is a lesson.

Yeah, what have you learned and
I think I think you need to be

there Let this be your invitation.

Yeah,

Katrina: if you're hearing about
this for the first time Amen

experience is June 26 through 28.

Yeah, and it's three days three
nights And the Hype House is a major

component of what we do at Amen.

And it's, it's, um, day
till the main session.

So from as early as 9 30, the house
is open and there's space for co

working and for networking and amazing
sessions all throughout the day.

And then, um, we close up the house to
make room for the awesome main sessions.

We've got amazing main session speakers
and the worship experiences off the chart.

So, um, it's at AmenExperience.

com.

We're releasing an album.

Oh, we're releasing albums.

Let's go.

There's so much.

New

Ps Adam: album, Songs for Sunday.

Yeah.

That's coming out.

So good.

There's

Katrina: really nothing like it.

Nope.

I mean, I know if you, if you're
an avid listener of the network.

Yeah.

Hype, Hype Pod, then you probably
attend tech conferences and trade shows.

Yes.

And all those type of things.

It's nothing like that.

Exactly.

You get all the insights.

Yeah.

Yeah, it's not a conference.

Yeah, it's not a conference.

It's not your

Ps Adam: work conference.

Yeah.

This is an experience.

Mm hmm.

Katrina: What would you say to wrap it up?

As investors.

Yeah.

Okay.

Because obviously we, you know, we put
up this amazing event, this experience,

but for people who are listening to
this, who maybe are not from Vive,

they're part of the network or they
want to be part of the network.

What should they know
from you as an investor?

As investors, as leaders in this
hype network space about the event.

Why should they be there?

Ps Adam: Oh, I think that you are going to
rub shoulders with people that you would

never ever meet outside this setting.

You're going to literally, I would
say this, it is worth the investment.

I've got people coming from
Frankfurt, London, uh, Italy.

I've got people coming from all over the
world that you may just need to know.

One of the things that I've been
fascinated about Vance is when we,

um, go places around the world.

Over Vance's life.

And to me, short life compared to my life.

Uh, cause he's a lot younger than
me, but just the amount of people

he knows and will know in different
places that have been a, a connection

or an investment moment that have
paid dividends later in something that

we've done that we didn't even know
we're doing just came from a decision

to make an investment to be somewhere.

Yeah.

Not to go.

You know what?

It's too hard.

No, nothing's too hard.

It's worth it.

And there is a worthwhile investment that
I have witnessed firsthand, that much of

what we've done in the church, what we've
seen in business together, investments

have just come from being in places,
meeting people and those connections.

They're vital.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Your connections.

You can't underestimate
making key connections.

Yeah.

Yeah.

,
Katrina: can you talk,
because you do so much travel.

Mm-Hmm.

. And I know there are some people I've
already heard it who are like, we'll

wait for the recording, right, ? Yeah.

Let me wait for the, that's blame.

Is it virtual?

Right.

That's so right.

And I think just to kind of
touch on what you're saying with

the connections in real life.

Why is that important to be there
and in person for all these sessions?

Ps Vance: Yeah, because, um, the
recording and the virtual is a farce.

Yes.

Right?

Exactly.

Because even if you think you're
present, you're not present.

Right.

You are multitasking, it's in
the background, it's residual.

Yep.

Uh, you know, the practicality of being in
person is that you are immersing yourself.

Yes.

Um, it's a lot harder to ignore the
person that's right in front of you.

So good.

Um, it's a lot harder to not
receive all of that person when

you're in the room together.

Yep.

Katrina: Yep.

Ps Vance: Um, and even if it was
the same content, there is something

different when you're in the atmosphere.

That moment that Pastor Adam was
talking about last year, I remember

distinctly when the music just stopped
and everybody was just singing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

And I think almost every hand was lifted.

Just imagine this 2000 people in
a room, lifting their hands, doing

their God given purpose that are of
like mind, um, rubbing shoulder to

shoulder with your fellow believer.

There is nothing like that.

Yeah.

Um, you cannot get that from a
recording and you cannot get that

virtually In addition to that people
like a hanukkah and betty that made

the investment to come from germany
to this place Now the the trajectory

of their life has completely changed.

Yes, they are now Pre that
conference pre that experience.

We're not going to plant a vive church.

We really didn't even know them post that
Experience are now planting a vive church

Um, and maybe you're not a church planter
maybe that's That's not your calling,

but fill that blank for your life.

What is that thing?

You know what I mean?

And so when you immerse yourself in
three days of rubbing shoulder to

shoulder with people, having meaningful
conversations, um, getting the full

impartation of what that is, that
is actually what pays dividends.

Katrina: Um, you don't

Ps Vance: get that virtually and you
don't get that through a recording.

Katrina: I think a lot of the listeners.

You, you are part of this hype
pod listener group because you're

working on your purpose, right?

You're chasing, you're pursuing purpose.

And so missing out on a man
experience would be such a miss.

Oh, yeah.

Right.

I think I know that milestone,
everyone has milestones connected.

They're marked by moments at
a man year after year, whether

it's set them up for such a.

Crazy season ahead that they didn't know
they were going to have to experience

or connections or, um, just a depth
of faith that comes out of that.

Yes.

So, um, aimandexperience.

com June 26th through 28th.

Um, you can register now if you
haven't, get out from under the rock

that you might be under if you're
hearing this for the first time.

And, um, so much to experience.

You can go to the website and
hear about all of the sessions

that we've been talking about.

And we're going to be

Ps Adam: talking about it on the pod.

Yeah.

You know, probably a couple
of times and you'll feel,

Katrina: feel all the FOMO.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: And you should be like, Oh
yeah, I remember when that happened too.

So yeah, come on, come and meet us.

Let's go.

Maybe, maybe we haven't
met some of the listeners.

Oh

Katrina: yeah.

We'll be there.

Oh, we're going to be doing
a live hypod recording.

You

Ps Adam: can be in the car.

Arun

Katrina: will be back.

Ps Adam: Yes.

But we'll give him

Katrina: his seat back.

But it'd be

Ps Adam: good to just connect
with some of the people out there.

Absolutely.

Katrina: Yeah.

Awesome.

Well, thanks.

God bless.

It was a great episode.

Let's do it.