Hype Pod - The Hype Network Podcast

Katrina: Okay, what's up
innovators, kingdom builders,

you're listening to the hype pod.

Ps Adam: Let's go.

What an introduction.

That was really professional.

There you go.

I'm back.

Arun doesn't do it like that.

Katrina: I'm, well, he

Ps Adam: just gets straight in.

I try to give him feedback.

You gave him, you give the nice intro.

He's

Katrina: very

Ps Adam: professional, but for
everybody who doesn't know, we are

in now season two and I think this
is episode three of season two.

Is that correct?

Katrina: Yeah.

So like episode 36.

36.

Three of number.

Three of two.

Yes.

Ps Adam: 36 of all.

Katrina: Yes.

Wow.

We're in.

So we have real conversations on tech,
innovation, cultural trends, always

from a faith filled perspective,
always off the cuff, I have to say.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: I say off the dome, uh, because
I don't want to see the docket beforehand.

Uh, I really like to stay disciplined
and let it be a off the dome

response on really what comes to
mind, not a pre planned thought.

I think sometimes if you have a pre
planned thought, it comes a bit quickly.

clinical, you know, or researched.

I just kind of like, uh,
you know, state of flow.

Katrina: I like it.

It's a good place to be.

Because

Ps Adam: Arun always says, do you
want to know what we're talking about?

I'm like, no, don't tell me.

Don't tell me.

Katrina: And you guys are so different
because sometimes if I set up.

Vance with the topics.

He's like ready and you're
like, don't let's not talk.

I don't want to

Ps Adam: know.

Katrina: Yeah Well, if this is your
first time listening, let me do the

professional stuff before I'm just
because if people are brand new Yes,

if this is your first time listening,
I want to say welcome to the hype pod.

Where have you been?

Go back to season one There's a
lot of good stuff in our podcast

Um, we always say you're one
connection away from Breakthrough.

So whether you're coming to one of
our events, one of our networking

events, or listening to our podcast,
following us on Instagram, we're,

I'm hoping you're getting not just
inspiration, but something that

activates you towards Breakthrough.

And um, we want you to get plugged in.

So go to our website, HypeNetwork.

org, check out what's going
on, um, poke around and you

can see the Hype membership.

But I'm here with, um, Pastor Adam Smolko.

Hello.

Ps Adam: Hello.

Katrina: Founder of the Hype Network,
also global lead pastor of Vive Church.

Wow.

Ps Adam: What a title.

Katrina: Yeah.

I'm trying to make sure.

We are getting more
professional in season two.

And then, um, we also have our guest
today, cause we don't have Vance.

Ps Adam: We don't have Vance.

But we do have Carson.

We do have Carson Sweet.

You've got the wild card today.

Let's go.

The wild card himself.

Katrina: Yes.

So welcome, Carson.

Ps Adam: Like, be honest with us, Katrina.

How intimidated were you today?

To be hosting cast.

No,

Katrina: no, not not intimidating.

Okay.

Let me just say I'm excited, but I'm ready
for I don't know where this is gonna go

Ps Adam: because

Katrina: if you I mean, you know
carson So, oh, I know carson.

I know him

Ps Adam: real well.

This is gonna

Katrina: be real off the cut

Ps Adam: So carson, it's
good to have you here.

Yes glad to be here.

How are you feeling today?

Carson: Oh, uh hydrated

And yeah, just ready to talk

Ps Adam: I need you to come
right up on this right here.

There you go.

Oh closer Okay, see now

Katrina: i'm not intimidated at all

Ps Adam: It kind of felt like
you're in the backgrounds

ready to charge, okay Carson,

Katrina: let me give you an introduction
because not everybody knows you.

Um, well, that's not true.

Everybody does know you because
whenever I like, whenever we're at

networking events, we just had a hype
session and you're, you're like Mr.

Networker.

Like you're really good at making
connections and everything.

Even

Ps Adam: more, I think you're Mr.

Inviter.

Cause I'll meet him.

Like, have you met Kazan?

Oh, he invited me.

Yes,

Katrina: exactly.

But Kazan, you're the founder of
Involve, um, and we, um, know that

you're a part owner of Black Fox Media,
which we're a great partnership with.

And um, we've been a member at Vive
Church for a little over what a

year or so and leading our teams.

And, um, yeah, so I know that
we're excited to hear from you.

You're also, we're excited
to call this like the tinfoil

hat episode if we go there.

This I may want to let you down.

I know all of our conversations
around multiple conspiracies.

Like we were just talking
earlier about lizard people.

Oh

Carson: yeah.

Oh, we're already there.

So we'll see where we go with all of

Katrina: this.

Carson: Catch me up.

I like it.

The FBI van is waiting outside.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

It's always stalking you.

Katrina: Oh my goodness.

Well, okay.

Let me wrap up the professional component.

So if you again are new to the hype
network or the hype pod, you can

subscribe, like all the good stuff.

Oh, here's the throat stuff again,
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stuff and you can find us anywhere
that you find your podcast.

So yeah,

Ps Adam: we're discoverable.

Katrina: So we had a session
the other day of hype session.

Oh, yeah.

Ps Adam: Should we talk about that?

Yeah, let's talk about

Katrina: that first.

Ps Adam: That was an epic panel.

We were all

Katrina: there.

Ps Adam: Yeah, it was an epic panel.

It was, uh, really focused on, uh,
I guess, web three, um, blockchain.

Um, you know, we had, yeah,
we had AI integration.

We had, uh, Uh, venture
capitalist in gaming solutions.

It was really cool.

I think we had, uh, one person
from our membership that was on,

on the panel and he killed it.

Um, we had, um, just, I think a really
good turnout and actually online, I

don't know what's wrong with y'all,
but a lot of people online were like,

man, I wish I had have been there.

Well, you can come.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: You can come.

Katrina: Yes, absolutely.

And we, the conversations were so fun,
and then we had to again kick people out.

Yeah.

People didn't want to
leave there until then.

Carson: Yeah.

People didn't want to leave.

Yeah.

Katrina: I just tried

Ps Adam: to set the trend.

I dipped.

I was just like, man,
I've got to drive home.

But

Katrina: you know, it's so awesome
was one of our speakers said he

couldn't get to all the questions.

And so he actually.

Really just a moment ago, sent me a
document with common questions that he

was asked and with a set of resources,
books to read if you're interested

in AI integration, web3 application,
blockchain, like some, just, you know,

whether you're at a primer state or
you're ready to go into intermediate,

he's got like Some tips there

Ps Adam: and he's ready to answer some

Katrina: questions.

So I think, I think I

Ps Adam: asked a lot of questions.

You

Katrina: did.

You were good.

You're a good question.

Ps Adam: Asker.

Yeah.

Good

Katrina: provoker.

Ps Adam: Give me, give me the microphone.

Katrina: Yeah.

But I think that's what's so
awesome about the hype sessions.

Like you can come and whether you're
aware of really all of these emerging

trends or not, you're going to get
some insight that you can apply, but

you're also Like rubbing shoulders
with people who think bigger than

you and that was so great to hear how
much people walked away with Yeah,

Ps Adam: that's honestly what I love
I love being in the networking because

I'm talking to somebody and I find out
that wow, this is what they've built

Yeah, they started this and I have so
much respect for founders I think I have

so much respect for founders because
of the risk that it takes and the faith

that's required To literally leave
safety and to step out into unknown and

to run and gun You It's literally just
you, you're making up your life day

by day and, um, to see them come to a
networking event, find other founders.

That's almost like a, a lifeline to
somebody else who's going through their

pain and it puts a lot of purpose to it.

But maybe they meet somebody
who's the next step ahead and

it inspires them to keep going.

Um, and it's like a language,
there's a language of, you know,

Entrepreneurialism that is spoken at
these events that, uh, I guess filters

down into giving you words to, to
identify your season that you're in.

Katrina: Yeah, exactly.

Why do you think, okay, I read a
stat the other day while we're on

this topic about entrepreneurism.

Um, I read a stat that, um, only
one out of every 10 entrepreneurs

after launch actually maintain
their business or stay in business.

Um, why do you think that stat is so low?

I would

Ps Adam: have thought one intense high

Katrina: is it

Ps Adam: I think

Katrina: really what do you think so

Ps Adam: probably so yeah, yeah,
it's difficult It's the hardest thing

it is to do Because it requires it
requires High amount of passion.

Yeah to begin the project and I think
sustaining the passion through obstacles

Is what's difficult when you can build
something to a stage of pure passion.

Uh, but when you met with obstacles like
funding runway, um, customer acquisitions,

uh, legal regulatory systems, all these
things, it feels like you don't know at

the beginning, all the, all the answers.

all the opposition you're going to face.

It's the same in church planning,
founding a company, whatever.

If you had have known at the beginning
all the obstacles, you wouldn't start.

But God is kind enough just to give
you what you can face at that time.

And so I think for a founder,
it's the same as a church planter.

You need to stay so centered
in God because he is the grace

to get you through each season.

I, I have no idea how non Christian
founders get through seasons because

without God as your literal source of
strength and inspiration, I can't imagine

how I would sustain in different seasons.

Um, but it's, it's so difficult
because there were so many unknowns.

Um, and I think that to have, if one in
10 succeed, well, that's a high step for

me because it really is what defines you
as a, An entrepreneur or as a, as a, a

leader is your ability to stick in when
quitting is the most attractive offer.

And plus, I think when you
build, you become attractive.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: You become
attractive to easy off ramps.

You know, there's companies all of a
sudden want to hire you and there's

all these very glossy, easy off
ramps that present themselves as,

um, or even like a small acquisition.

It becomes very attractive, but
you know, in your heart, you

built this to IPO, or you've got
this idea of what this is worth.

Um, I think you can hit hardship and
then look for a bailout pretty easy.

Would you go?

Yeah.

Maybe talk about some of
the things you've faced.

Carson: Yeah.

Well, I will say just for the people that
I meet that did make it or did stay with

it, even if it wasn't the success that
they thought it was, it's, it's all the

people that went through the most pain.

Yeah.

The people that really get to the
other side, they've had a lot of pain.

Yeah.

Absolutely.

And that's what drives them
for the purpose, the solution.

They don't want others to
go through that same pain.

It is for different things.

I know people in the tax space that
have had a lot of pain with the IRS

and next thing you know, they become
the experts and they don't want

anybody to have the same experience.

Ps Adam: But I'm trying to think other,
well, I was talking about it this morning,

even in our, in our staff meeting where
I was talking about what God wants to do.

And this is why Christians have an
advantage is because our purpose.

Uh, precedes our pain.

Yeah.

So, our purpose, and this is why you
have martyrs, this is why persecution

does not deter us from our faith.

You know, you see all over the world,
Christians have faced persecution,

but their resolve gets deeper.

Why?

Because our purpose is paramount.

And I think you have to have
that purpose be paramount so

that your pain is secondary.

If your pain is primary, you'll
quit and you'll forfeit your purpose

and you'll, you'll just bail out.

And I think that as a, maybe without
Christ, then your pain would be

paramount because pleasure is paramount.

And, uh, we, I think as a Christian,
we put pleasure way down the

list because I'm dying to self.

Katrina: Right.

And because

Ps Adam: I'm dying to self, my
purpose has to be paramount.

So therefore pain, I'll, I'll
persevere through that to achieve the

purpose that God's put in my life.

Katrina: How do you know though,
that you are, you know, Not just

entrepreneurial, but you're an
entrepreneur because I, I, I find that

because we're doing these sessions and
we're such a, you know, part of a great

church where we make space for that.

So, and, and opportunities
for people to connect.

If you're not exposed to that, do
you, how do you determine that?

Like, you know, running
a business is for you.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

I mean, I'd love to hear what
Carson thinks, but I think

that if, how do you know you're
entrepreneurial, you have ideas.

, you have ideas.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: You, you just think of new
things and you wanna start stuff and

you have this deep desire to like just
start and do things and try things.

And you've probably already got several
plates spinning because you're an

entrepreneur, you've, you're thinking
of ideas, you're thinking of solutions.

Yeah.

You're solution oriented.

But what makes an entrepreneur
is ideas with grit.

Hmm.

Katrina: Okay.

Ps Adam: You can be entrepreneurial
in your thinking, but an

entrepreneur is the person who has
the grit to make the ideas happen.

Katrina: Yeah.

I

Ps Adam: dunno.

Yeah,

Carson: there's a lot of business
people that are not entrepreneurs.

Of course.

So I don't know if we, I think
y'all may have talked about that

before, but I see that often where
people hit their hypothetical max.

It's something I'm always
looking at in a business.

It's like, what is the max you
can push this thing without adding

a different form of leverage?

And, and I see a lot of people just
sit in a very low opportunity and

never think, never see the problems
and they're like, you're saying never,

never look, never pioneer, never think
about solving new problems and they stay

exactly where they're at and maybe it's
just enough to offer them the freedom.

Uh, to, to no longer be in the nine to
five rat race, but they never really grow.

So in the end they, they probably could
have just stayed, they probably could

have stayed in the, in the W2 space,
got a good stock option or something.

Katrina: How did, how did you know Carson?

Cause you've done multiple
things, multiple businesses.

Did, how did you get started?

What's your story?

Carson: Ooh.

Well, I mean, my story is, uh,
really out of just helping people

like I, there was, there's problems.

And if you are great at solving problems,
you're naturally gonna, you know, help

people like they're like, I see you
can solve my problem that the perceived

likelihood of achievement is very high.

So I was that guy in the beginning
that could help someone get their

website off the ground and do
it in a very professional way.

And invest in a way where it's something
that they can manage for years.

It's not like a, Oh, we've got to
rebuild this thing in six months.

So that's kind of where I got my start.

But as I specialized in the beginning,
I was able to generalize over time.

Cause I could just kept building
my reputation for winning.

And that kind of led from being the
web guy to being the marketing guy to

really just building software in general.

So that's kind of the start.

And then, uh, to share like pain,
uh, for me, figuring out in church

that, People are going to do
messaging more than anything else.

It's like, there needs
to be a system for this.

So that's what really fuels the
passion project of involve, but.

There's, there's two motives, uh, for me,
like there, there's the moneymaking arm

and then there's the, you know, like the,
the impact arm, the populate heaven arm.

That's what I'm thinking about.

So it's hard balancing those two, like
apostle Paul, like he had the tent

making business and I've been in this
season where I'm trying to process,

like, do I focus more on the tent
making so that I can have the impact

or do I focus on the impact and the
tent making will come along the way,

you know, it's like, Which comes first,
you know, it's always hard to navigate.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: I think that's that's that's
a definite battle for christian

entrepreneurs Because they have a
godly mindset for their business.

I want to have kingdom impact with
this business Well, guess what

to have kingdom impact you have
to have worldly success, right?

And I think that this is
not a popular conversation.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: but if you want to have extended
kingdom impact it requires you having

very Successful worldly influence.

Yeah, so meaning I need paying customers
right to provide free services.

I need paying I need input I need
funding if I'm gonna extend anything

for the kingdom and I don't know
where we got this idea that kingdom

is free Right, right, like everything
you do for the kingdom is free.

What if doing everything to
the kingdom was excellent?

Hmm, and it was premium right and it
was the best Rather than the free slap

together version because we have no money,
but at least it works for you, hodgepodge.

Right, right.

No, no, what if, what if the kingdom of
God deserves the best technology, the

best apps, the best operating systems?

Because we sourced a product that
actually served a wider market.

We took the wealth of the
world and we channeled it into

producing the best industry level,
uh, products for the church.

That's Yeah.

Way more kingdom.

Yeah.

My mindset.

Katrina: Yeah.

Do you?

Yeah.

What do you think?

What do you think?

What, what is the gap?

Why do you think?

I

Ps Adam: think sometimes the kingdom
conversation can be an excuse, uh, for

lack of drive or like, you know, lack
of actually killing it in being the

best product because it's almost like,
Oh, we're the best kingdom product.

What does that mean in your mind?

That's like, it's not the best product.

Why did you have to word kingdom?

Add the word kingdom in there as
if it's like, Hey, expect less.

Katrina: It's like the
Christian music category.

We're the best artists in

Ps Adam: CCM.

No offense.

I love the dog,

but it's like that.

Right.

And why can't it just be the best
messaging app, you know, on the, why,

why, why can't it be, you know, for
instance, something that Google wants or,

you know, Apple wants, because like, man,
that is better than what we could build.

Um, you know, like WhatsApp got acquired.

Uh, by, by Facebook and Meta because
it was like, man, we can't build that.

We'll just take it.

And I think sometimes, you know, when
we build something for the kingdom.

Um, what are we saying?

Are we saying I'm going to build something
that's going to advance the kingdom?

Or am I saying I'm going to
build something less than what

the standard of the world is?

Katrina: Yeah.

Do you, it's just that
sensibility that's good enough.

It's good enough for God.

Ps Adam: It's kind of like that,
but it's also sometimes an excuse.

I think the right mentality is.

It's man, I'm going to build something
so specialized that it's built

purposely for the kingdom rather
than we take a worldly product and

try and retrofit it for the kingdom.

You know, like we, we sometimes
I think we take salesforce stuff,

which is like, you know, stacks of,
uh, customer retention or whatever.

It's really built for the world
and we try and fit our church flows

into that, you know, worldly stack.

But what if we actually built with
the church in mind, because there is

a uniqueness to the church and the
body of Christ that, uh, you know,

Salesforce won't be able to understand.

Katrina: Yeah.

I think that would be amazing.

We had a conversation at one of our
network nights about when you have an

ecosystem of excellence, of excellence.

Kingdom building businesses.

Oh, imagine the legacy of that.

I think the opposite is a little bit
of where we're at because I find, we've

had a conversation in a previous podcast
where sometimes Christians don't want to

do business with other Christians because
the product is maybe not excellent and the

expectation is like, Hey, you should do
business with me because I'm Christian.

Yeah.

But there's that interesting, I would

Ps Adam: like to get to that point where,
uh, we, we prefer Christians because we,

we automatically know that if they're
Christian, they're God oriented and

their product is going to be excellent.

Carson: Yeah.

Ps Adam: I don't think we can
have the second one just yet.

Carson: Right?

So for the people who win, let's say
someone builds something Incredible

and the world wants it the the
next and this is probably on a lot

of people's mind right now When
do you exit and how do you exit?

Yeah, that's a that's challenging.

It's like let's say you do
something really successful Yeah,

you know, what would you say?

What what way would you exit?

It's very

Ps Adam: tricky because um, it depends
on a couple of levels right because

you could be building a product that
is kingdom oriented You And then all

of a sudden, um, you know, investors
come in the moment you take investment.

You're not the sole director of your
company anymore, because they're

investing based on a return, and
they have an expectation of return.

So as a founder, the moment you take
investment, it's not just a decision.

Oh, is this gonna scale
my company quicker?

But do I want influences on what
we do at stages of this company?

And sometimes your hand, it's
not even at IPO or the exit.

It's at the investment that
you have to make that decision.

Carson: Yeah, I see it like graduation.

It's like if there's the next vine that
you're swinging to, if there's not a

vine, it's probably not time to exit.

You know what I'm saying?

It's probably right.

God wants you to go from strength
to strength, and if there's no

strength, it's like, well, maybe I
need to keep building this thing.

That's what helps me see it.

It's like, well, is the next thing ready?

No, it's not, so.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: and I think it's a question
for the product or the founder.

Right.

Okay, what's the next
thing for the product?

What's the next thing for the founder?

That's good.

Because sometimes the product may just be
able to be at its point of sale, and you

can sell the company and the product, and
then it still sits in serving that space.

But maybe as a founder, that exit provides
you with runway to do something new.

The next thing.

The next thing.

Yeah.

Hmm.

Ps Adam: And maybe it's not a vine.

Maybe it's just a new, new platform Yeah.

That you're at because now you've got,
you can personally finance something.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Katrina: Okay.

I am gonna take you to a topic
here that's, oh, we're gonna go to

Ps Adam: the docket.

Are we?

Is it okay?

Did all right.

Let's try.

Katrina: I like it.

I love all this entrepreneurial talk,
but I wanna see what you guys think.

I dunno if you saw the
Mark Zuckerberg confession.

Oh, oh yeah.

I called, I read wind of this.

You

Ps Adam: read it?

You read it.

I read it.

Of course you did.

So in a letter, I totally expect
cast, read the whole thing.

Katrina: So in a letter to Chairman
Jim Jordan and the House Judiciary

Committee, um, he wrote that he regrets,
and that's specifically in the letter,

regrets working with the Biden Harris
administration, which repeatedly

pressured MEDA's teams for months to
censor, uh, the COVID posts, um, Was,

Ps Adam: did he admit that
he did censor or he was

Carson: pressured to censor?

He did, he did censor prior to,
basically they went ahead and took

things down without even knowing.

That's one thing he did admit, and that
specifically the, the Hunter Biden laptop.

That was a big one.

Oh, so he admitted to that?

Yeah, he said we took it
down without even knowing.

Ps Adam: Oh my gosh.

Carson: We, before it went
out to be audited by, So what

Ps Adam: Zuckerberg has changed
his political affiliation?

Hmm.

Carson: He's flying the
American flag now, so

Ps Adam: yeah, yeah, I mean is is what
is I don't I I mean I haven't really kept

up to speed with you know, especially
the the Zuckerberg You know personal

life of right being Jewish Yeah, the
left having a lot of people who are

you know, this is I guess outcasts
Anti Israel and more pro Palestine

and all that kind of stuff is is that
affecting his political persuasions now?

What's what's happening?

Katrina: Do you think he's reacting?

Is that what you're saying?

Because I'm thinking does he know?

Something we don't

Carson: know.

Oh, I'm sure he knows.

You know what I mean?

I

Katrina: mean, it's

Carson: also an election year So this is
a great PR, you know good optics for them.

Like hey guys, we actually weren't
okay with this You know, we're standing

in the in the middle Oh, really?

I think you think he's

Katrina: standing in the middle.

Carson: Yeah Well, we're about to do it
again So he wants to build trust with

all of his users as we go into this
next election cycle so that if a hunter

biden laptop comes out that Maybe they
do things differently this time around.

Ps Adam: Oh, okay.

So that's what the motivation is.

I think so.

Because I mean, that's pretty risky.

Right.

To come out now and say, hey,
we did buckle to the government.

Carson: Yeah.

But at the same time,
there's an moving forward.

I think a lot of people
just knew they did.

You know, there's people on that side.

So he's trying to pull those people back.

So it's like, well, you, you think of
the competition with X with, with true

social, even right now, you have so much
traffic that, that there's competition

now that, that wasn't there a few
years ago and threads is struggling.

Yeah.

Threads is definitely struggling.

Uh, I get, I get ads for
it inside of Instagram.

Like, no, I'm on Instagram.

That's where I want to be.

I'm on Instagram and I'm on Twitter.

But as we go into the election season.

Uh, I know that they want to be a
place where people are going to get

the news still because right now people
are every day more people are moving

to default to X to get the truth or
somewhere else other than Facebook.

So I think it's really a play to
build trust again with the users that

they have and then to hopefully bring
some people across the aisle again.

Do you think people still use Facebook?

Ps Adam: How many people
do you know use Facebook?

I think 30 plus.

Okay.

Like age 30 plus.

Age 30 plus.

I've got

Katrina: friends.

He's like, 30 of my friends.

No, 30.

The

Carson: 30 year old plus, uh, I've got
friends that are on Facebook every day.

A lot of girls that, so what happens,
I know girls and I'm like, Hey,

why are you still on Facebook?

Yeah.

And they'll say, I just got this,
I got a following over here, you

know, so I can get sales over here.

I can do these things over here.

Oh, okay.

Okay.

So, so they're on it because of the
audience that they have, you know,

their generation Facebook, say like
someone who was in college when this

thing boom because it started with
colleges and now they have this huge

audience and now they're some form of
influencer selling a shampoo and it's

really hard to give that audience up.

So I think a lot of people stay
for the audience that they built.

Years ago.

Yeah, so they get the most engagement.

Ps Adam: I feel like every time
like i'm 44 And every time I just

randomly think or open facebook
accidentally Or whatever it is.

I I find that the people on
the feed are probably 50 plus.

Katrina: Yeah

Carson: Yeah.

Katrina: Yeah.

This is like where my mom has
gotten scammed multiple times.

Carson: Yeah 30 is the floor That's
why i'm saying like be below 30.

I don't see it.

Yeah, you know the next
generation's not on it

Ps Adam: So it's interesting that,
uh, you know, Mark Zuckerberg is

trying to redeem that space and get
that back, I guess, the user base.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's interesting.

Uh, I think, I think it's no
doubt to your mind that they

were definitely censoring stuff.

Um, uh, I mean, we really have not, I
don't even know if this is possible, but

there, you know, When will there ever
be some major inquiry investigation?

And where do you even start coming back
to the whole COVID era and the amount of

rubbish the American people were sold?

But it's crazy because, you
know, they just came out now.

I saw it on ABC the other day, the new
COVID, uh, shot is out, but they say, Hey,

you might want to wait before you get it.

Now that's the ABC and now peddling
the whole thing that was, if you said

that back in COVID, you were the devil.

Right,

Katrina: right.

Ps Adam: Uh, but like, it's so funny
how people flip flop in their positions.

Yeah.

Um, never do you get
vindication, right, Carson?

That's what I

Katrina: was going to say.

Well, when do you, yeah, where's
the accountability for that?

You do, it's just six

Ps Adam: years later when,

Carson: when no one's paying attention.

No one's paying attention anymore.

And you're going, remember
what I was saying?

Yeah.

Yeah,

Katrina: but they're okay.

Sorry.

I just want to because I think we're all
on the same page about kovid But I think

there are some listeners that still Wear

Ps Adam: masks while they're driving.

Yeah I was served a hot dog today
with a lady who wore a mask.

Yeah,

Katrina: and some I mean and even Um,
at school, we're asked if the kids still

have COVID, like we're still doing COVID
tests and all those type of things and

everything like that, but we're, I don't
think everybody thinks that there's

accountability needed for that season.

So I think if you, I
don't want to presume,

Ps Adam: I don't want to presume
why people are still wearing masks,

whether they're sick and they're
like, Hey, this is the best way

for me to, you know, contain COVID.

Uh, my sickness or I just assume
if I see anybody wearing a

mask right now, you're sick.

That's my, that's my presumption.

I don't even, I don't even sit again.

Okay.

You're a far left, you know, person.

I, I'm like, I'm just
gonna assume you're sick.

So let me stay away from you.

Um, cause I don't want to get sick.

Um, and so we play a better man than me.

Well, I used to assume, man, that what
you're going to have like a Hillary

Clinton sticker on your car or something.

Right.

Um, but now I'm just like, I'm gonna
give him the benefit of the doubt.

And I appreciate it.

Yeah, like if you're sick wear a mask

Katrina: Well, but not if you're

Ps Adam: not sick.

Katrina: What do you think if you
could break it down for listeners?

Why would the censoring of?

Covid posts even the humorous ones.

Why is that?

Dangerous or bad it was

Carson: it's about money to me It all
comes back to money because at this time

they had got this You know Otherwise
on unproven product on the market.

And there were a lot of things coming
out saying, Hey, this is actually

really helpful for the treatment
of COVID want to censor all that.

It was all about vaccination and testing.

They didn't talk about treatment.

They didn't talk about go
outside, exercise, stay

healthy, keep your body healthy.

That's like a healthy body is going
to be able to fight off anything.

And they weren't saying these
things during COVID all they

talked about were testing.

and vaccination, nothing else.

So that's, that's a big part of it.

There was a middle ground.

There were, there were products
that were already on the market.

Some that didn't have a patent, some
that didn't, uh, you know, fall behind

some pharmaceutical lines that could
have helped a lot of people, but

they didn't want people to use it.

I think that was a big part of it.

Ps Adam: Yeah, i'll go a
little bit more sinister.

I think it's control I think money
is probably a nice version of saying

that they want control and it's a
very communistic approach to to de

censor or to censor or to uh, de uh to
eliminate any negative uh objection to

something they're trying to push very
propagandistic and I think if you try

and uh, Censor it what you're doing
is like we do not need any dissent.

No dissent.

It's very very anti stalin Nazi
style of, uh, we will remove that

and put just big government pressure
on a public platform to remove any

form of dissent because we want the
people to listen to our propaganda.

So I think, you know, it's
like if, if, if the product's

good, it will stand on its own.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: You know, if it helped
people, it would stand on its own.

Right.

Ps Adam: But they know the only
reason you censor is because you

know, this ain't going to work, but.

We're going to control, we're going
to control the, the society and we're

going to push our product because all of
the government officials, I don't have

the proof for it, but I can probably
guarantee someone's done some digging.

Maybe Matt Taibbi or someone like
that, that they are benefiting

from the pharmaceutical companies.

And when they push out these
products, then government officials.

Either have a good payday
or a future promise runway.

Katrina: Yeah.

Okay.

Can you help listeners connect the dots?

Because as you as you're talking about
this, I mean i've had conversations

with both of you and through
the covet season I mean you were

skeptical about it the whole time But

Ps Adam: remember like I
because I was a faith leader.

Yeah Trying to lead a community of
people right now now my frustration and

let me be honest my Relationships with
people in my own church were tested.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: because I thought we were in this
together, but I realized there's a lot of

people who were in things for themselves.

And so I am at the forefront trying to
pull people out of isolation because

I could see the toxicity it's causing.

I'm on the other side of people's
marriages falling apart and, uh,

uh, depression hitting people.

So I know.

Yeah.

So let's come together.

Let's face off with some fears that are
a lot of them false that you've believed,

but really what I thought was paramount.

actually was people's conveniences.

The fact that we can stay isolated,
that we can not have to commute, that

we can live our own little lives.

Most people who weren't in
charge of moving people actually

enjoyed the in home COVID season.

That's what perpetuated most of it.

Because if you're not, if you're not
responsible for leading people to

God or into community, then I could
definitely see, like, I talked to

my, my daughters before, they look
back fondly on the fact that they

could do school in their pajamas.

Sure.

But they didn't have to leave the home.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: And, Do I think it affected
their personality and development?

Maybe because they're very much, uh,
focused on a few friends rather than like

my eldest daughter, who's like lots of
friends, the more friends, the merrier.

And she was a different age
bracket going into, uh, COVID.

But I think for me, the, the
heartache was seeing people get so.

More listen more to news and media than
even me not that I'm anybody but I am a

faith leader And leading I think in the
things of god, but my voice we're accused

for being not caring for people, right?

We were accused.

Um, we reported on From people in
our community who are watching our

services because we had one more person
than the CDC said we should have.

Like, I remember one time they said you
could have eight people in a studio.

Right.

And people were like, I counted nine.

Well, I just wanted to say, Hey,
there's actually 32 people here.

You just can't see the rest of
them because they're on camera.

Right.

You fool.

Um, but, but, but okay.

But it's like, it just changed.

people.

Yes.

And it made Christians
even enemies of each other.

Yeah.

And if, and that I think was shocking
to me to see how weak we could become.

Katrina: Well, so with that, what
would you say as stuff like this?

You know, surfaces to now, you
know, Hey, there was censorship.

There was control there.

What, what would you, what are you

Ps Adam: wanting us to say?

Carson: Because I do think that there's
still, they can read Mark Zuckerberg's

post and still deny everything.

So I think people

Ps Adam: reinforce their position.

And um, I've, I have not had one apology.

I have not had one apology
out of that season.

Not that I'm looking for it, but I'm
just saying I haven't had one person,

couple, family come up and say, Hey,
Look, I know I lost my cool with you.

You were right.

I was wrong.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: It's like, no, no, we were
right in that season, even though

we're looking back, you were wrong.

Yeah.

So I think what I think, and it doesn't
really help anybody to move forward

to look back and be like, I was wrong,
but I think it is helpful to see.

Oh, what I suspect it is happening.

Sure.

Every sense of shift.

Katrina: Yeah.

Do you think it helps anybody who's
faith filled, Christian, to then

process the way other very loud topics
are in social media or in the news?

Gender.

You know, roles being
manipulated, those type of things.

Do you know what I mean?

Can we, yeah, I'm trying to
poke the bear with both of you

Carson: guys.

You really are.

Well, you said something interesting.

So a lot of people found
comfort during COVID.

Yeah.

A lot of people was like, I
actually like being home and it's

so crazy right now with this in
box thing that they're, they're

trying to sell people on right now.

There's all these people that
are like, Oh, let it come.

I want to stay home and video game.

Right.

I want to do work from home.

What is it?

The in monkey box.

Okay.

Got

Katrina: it.

Carson: They're calling it impacts.

They rebranded.

They're trying to still

Ps Adam: get it out there.

They're still trying to push it.

Yeah.

Because they've got an army
now of people who are like,

Oh, this could be advantageous.

Let's, they don't believe in
it, but they're just like, Oh,

yeah, it's, it's the benefits.

It's the whole past.

We're just going to go

Carson: chill in the hall.

Yeah.

We're not going to do the work.

You know, staying home
sounds fun and getting paid.

Give me more PPE, you know,
like all these things.

Katrina: How do you, when you both look
at these particular things in the news

or again, exposure that something's
being censored, um, or even, you

know, I don't know, um, anything,
whatever news, How do you process?

How do you look at it and then determine
how to think more critically about it?

Like, what's your process?

Are you just automatically cynical of it?

Or how do you, how do you do?

Ps Adam: Yeah, I would say
I'm automatically cynical, but

rightfully so, because I know the
flavor of each media outlet now.

Everyone's shown their cards.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Okay.

Everyone has, through the last several
years, nobody has hidden cards anymore.

You know exactly what they push.

You can see it in their language.

You can see it in their headlines.

What they choose to leave out and what
they choose to put in it's provocative

towards a certain conclusion So I mean
their cards are shown You know their bend,

but I think it's sometimes interesting
to, uh, still read it and see, okay,

I see what you're trying to push here.

I can see how you're trying
to manipulate society.

I can see it.

Um, what worries me are those
people who don't see it.

Do they not want to see it?

Cause it's very, very obvious.

Katrina: Yeah.

I don't think it's obvious to everybody.

I think in my conversations, I'll, I'll
think like recently someone had said who

they're voting for because the last four
years who they would never vote for.

Because the last four
years have been very quiet.

Ps Adam: No, no, no, no, no,
But do you get what I'm saying?

Right, right.

So,

Katrina: so, I think it
depends on a person's Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

I mean, I don't think it's over to go
because let's look at the last 16 years

and the four good years were honestly a
very visible, uh, from no wars and, uh,

prosperity and all those kinds of things.

Um, yeah, I mean, okay, let
me give you a clear example.

The same media outlets that were
literally, uh, presenting when Trump

decided to build a wall, the same
media outlets that were saying that

was the dumbest idea and presenting the
polar opposite are now the same media

outlets that when Kamala's saying she's
going to finish the wall, saying this

is a great idea, protect the border.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: The hypocrisy.

Yeah.

Yeah.

The hypocrisy is, it's, it's ridiculous.

Yeah.

And it's, I think that you have to maybe
either be very new to news or just be

very good at blocking out the past.

Katrina: Yeah.

Did we ever have the conversation in the
podcast yet, yet about the moon landing?

Cause I feel like this is a nice exposure
of how, no, because I think this is such a

great conversation to have because people.

You know, to your point,
may or may not see things as

obvious if they're new to news.

But I think if you don't think about
the information with a critical mind.

Well,

Ps Adam: I think what you've got with,
okay, the moon landing is a very good

example of, and let's, let's take a
position whether it's true or not.

Okay.

Regardless, irregardless of whether
we actually landed on the moon, we

made it out into orbit and made it
look like we landed on the moon.

We wanted to present that because
there's a Cold War era and, you

know, winning at Cork, All costs is
a justified lie or whatever it is.

I think what it presented with
people with is the opportunity

to believe in something.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: that's that's what it came down
to and it reinforced a national pride that

you could argue even if it's in a lie,
it was still good result because it It

really accelerated American culture that
we reach the moon, shoot for the moon.

Let's go for it.

You can hit it.

So I think out of that, the culture
spin within the United States almost

accelerated beyond every other
country because we did something

so visibly impossible that it
put this deep sense of drive.

This we are the kings of the world kind
of vibe and I think the byproduct of that

is healthy um, but now if if even if it
was proven even if Uh, neil armstrong.

Is he alive?

I think yeah, is he still alive?

No buzz aldrin one Anyway, even
if she's googling the astronauts

themselves, they're close.

They're pretty close to the end.

I'm sure

Katrina: 2012

Ps Adam: Okay, he passed in 2012.

What about, uh, Buzz Aldrin?

I think he might still be around.

Yeah, he's sitting in the chair somewhere.

Yeah Okay, still alive
still like four years old.

So even if buzz came out and said
guys we made it up I don't think the

american people would believe it because
people want to believe what's what's

a it's a good lie It's a positive lie.

Oh, yeah,

Ps Adam: it's not a negative lie.

Yeah,

Ps Adam: so it's a lie up.

It's a

Ps Adam: lie You Okay, if you lie about
something you did, but you made it

sound better, you don't see that as a
lie, you see that as an embellishment.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: But you now, every time you
tell that story, you tell it from the

highest level that you told it at.

Sure.

And I think that America never wants to
go back, because that would, that would

be destabilizing the fabric of society.

Yeah.

Carson: Yeah.

I just look at where we're at today in
headlines today, and I just laugh because

we were just talking about news outlets.

How do you process these
things when people say things?

This is a great example.

In 2024, we were supposed
to go back to the moon.

Ps Adam: Yes.

Carson: And the reason why we're
not going back are the spacesuits

will not be ready in time.

That's what was in the article.

Ps Adam: Right.

Carson: And I'm like, and so Elon is
also, uh, far more advanced than I

would say anybody at NASA at this point.

Yeah.

And he's still blowing up rockets
in low altitude and I'm just like,

are you hitting the firmament?

Is this why he's talking
about Jesus all the time?

Cause you're a flat earther.

Oh, not me.

No, I know.

I know.

Uh, but the firmament is the flat, right?

Right.

Right.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Well, I mean, it's in the Bible.

That's where people get this, right?

So, the Bible says there's this
thing here that's around the earth.

Exactly.

That's what happens when Elon
launches a rocket in the Twitter

feed, like, in the replies.

It's like firmament.

That's all they say.

Oh, really?

Amazing.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Um, but yeah, I mean, there is, there's
some great research on, you know, uh,

what's possible and what's not possible.

Yeah.

Um, and I think, you know, I
mean, at the end of the day,

technology has advanced so much.

My, my skepticism for, for a believer.

I'm very skeptical.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Like I, I I'm a big believer,
so I believe in, uh, what God can do.

That's my belief, but I'm very
skeptical of people's motives.

Got it.

And so And there are

Carson: explanations.

Yes.

Yeah, so

Ps Adam: you can't explain it all.

You just really can't.

Exactly.

Exactly.

So I think I get very skeptical
when things don't add up, like how

advanced our technology has come since
the day that we landed on the moon.

I mean, yeah, we're using VCRs.

Katrina: Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Katrina: Oh, so

Ps Adam: my, my, my, my
VCR, um, years later,

Katrina: yeah.

Ps Adam: Couldn't actually rewind my tape

Katrina: where, where, where can
people get information about this if

they want to learn more about this?

Not landing on the moon,
not on the moon, not

Ps Adam: google.

com.

That's for sure.

Yeah.

You definitely won't find anything there.

I think there is a, um, a website.

Um, a website, uh, that I've
read, um, and I, again, this is

someone's own research, but sabrel.

com.

Uh, he's, he's done a lot of research.

I just like to look at the videos
from a polar, uh, perspective.

Someone who's right out
there in the tinfoil land.

Um, but definitely wear your
tinfoil hat while you're, while

you're reading and listening to the

Carson: videos.

I think watching the videos are great on
its own because we, Um, even today with

AI stuff coming out people I know people
sniff out AI immediately on Instagram

and stuff It's not gotten that good yet
And then you go back and look at the

star wars stuff That would have been the
same technology around the same time 69

So I think just looking at the videos
for yourself objectively is going to

give you a lot and Elon himself said
Uh, you know, if you watch back the

videos, he said, what did he say exactly?

He said, um, it's so fake
looking, it has to be real.

That's what he says.

When someone asks him like,
Hey, did we go to the moon?

It's so fake looking.

It has to be right.

That's what he says.

So,

Ps Adam: so good.

Okay.

When we watched star Wars back, like my
daughters are like, dad, this is so bad.

And I'm like, no, but it was so good
when we were watching it at the time.

Carson: Yeah.

The sound design is on
another level though.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I've watched some documentaries
and like stuff on like the

guys who made the sounds.

It's just, it's just crazy.

They're very good.

Yeah.

Katrina: Okay.

So can we go into what
happened with Telegram?

Are you guys following that at all?

Oh,

Carson: yeah.

Katrina: Because on the censorship.

It makes me nervous.

Carson: I own a messaging platform.

Like what if a bunch
of people get on there?

Yeah.

Katrina: Do you want to break down?

Can you break it down?

Carson: Because this is your wheelhouse.

So, well, the, the owner, um,
I've actually, he's, he's one

of those productivity guys.

He's kind of like, I'm
never going to own anything.

He's of course all about, uh, freedom.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Um, and, and he has this platform that's
heavily encrypted and anytime you encrypt

something, the government wants a key.

That's just kind of how it works.

So our app, we are encrypted, but we
use a lot of standardized protocol,

which means the government has a key.

Right.

SHA 256, that's actually, was
invented by our government.

So they own the key to everything
and things that you don't know.

But yeah.

But anytime you use proprietary
encryption, you have to let Apple know.

So this is just Apple alone.

So like they're of course
in both app stores.

But when you submit something to
Apple, you have to let them know

if it's proprietary encryption.

What's the justification behind that?

Control.

Backdoor.

Um, honestly, the government, it's
probably less Apple and more federal

government saying we need to know.

So we can look into this, especially
as, as adoption grows on, on a

platform, communication risk threats.

It's like, cause.

If there was a real time communication
tool that the government couldn't see or

tracked and they need to find someone,
you know, of course it's always control.

But what's really interesting of
all the countries, France, uh, you

can't even publish an app in there if
you're using proprietary encryption.

I don't know why.

I've always wondered France, you're
welcome to make a statement after this.

I know you're watching, but yeah,
so basically, um, He would not budge

with the regulations that the, uh,
all over Europe that like control.

Like we talked about
how it's about control.

Truly it is like here in America,
we're just trying to make some

money, but it's about control.

But, but Europe's already
at the control point.

We don't even care about
the money at this point.

We just, we just need
you to do what we say.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Australia as well.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

But, but.

And he was basically saying, I'm
not going to do what you say.

And from that rested, I think
he's a 20 year sentence.

That's crazy.

He got a 20 year sentence.

Yeah.

Katrina: Yeah.

So for allegedly failing to moderate
the illegal activities, so drug

trafficking, child exploitation.

Like all all of it,

Carson: which is bogus because like
they the government's the one doing

those things They just need to know
that the good people doing those

things that they can get some it's
where we're getting deep, right?

It's like at the end of the day take a
stick At the end of the day it is truly

about control and they not they cannot
control this app And that's why so many

people love it and adopt it and feel
most secure chatting on his services

because he's literally going to jail
for their security and their integrity

Ps Adam: Sorry, can you catch me up?

I'm going to go on the side of the people
right now, cause I didn't catch the story.

I know about Telegram, but he has
been charged with, uh, aiding and

abetting, uh, illegal activity.

Uh, I'm guessing child
trafficking, drug, uh, smuggling.

Um, if I'm thinking, filling the gaps from
what they could potentially, anything on

the platform that was illegal activity.

Right.

Because he's platform hosted it.

Right,

Carson: and it's anonymous,
so he doesn't even know.

To an extent.

I'm sure he has the key, but he is,
you know, really bought into security.

So the argument is, we need the key.

Because we need to police this.

Regulate, or they need to put some
regulation in place so that we can,

uh, snuff out the, the bad actors.

I don't know every demand that they
have, but obviously here in America,

we have not cracked down as hard as
all the European countries have, so.

Ps Adam: Is there a responsibility, let
me ask a bigger question, uh, a social

media platform, a messaging platform,
is there a responsibility for, for

a, uh, from a creator's point of view
to, uh, make sure the, the product

doesn't, Get used for negative services

Carson: Yeah, if I made a pencil a
nice pencil and I can hand it to you

and you just shanked somebody with
it Yeah, like I can't control that.

No, you can't control that right?

That's like banning all guns or banning
all mails But you can so you can

Ps Adam: Not hand it to someone
who's in prison Possibly right so so

recognize bad actors you you don't
know everybody but you can limit.

Okay, this guy You Okay, he's a known
drug dealer, Kingpin, okay, maybe let's

not give him access to our platform.

Carson: That's true.

It's just so hard to
track who that person is.

Even Facebook.

Like, Facebook, X, all these other
technology companies that make accounts.

They can't control the
people that are on here.

Like the Taliban has
been on X all this time.

We're like during, during COVID, we're
like banning all these conservative

voices, um, on the internet.

But then the Taliban, like is in a
Twitter space is just talking casually

with people and you're like, okay.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Yeah.

I'm just trying to, trying
to play the devil's advocate.

I get it.

Because I agree too.

Like, I mean, you, you can't
control if you provide a platform,

someone's always going to turn it
for evil and use it negatively.

Right.

Um, but is the negative use of it.

Carson: And that's why government, uh,
here in, here in the States probably

have been more lenient because we
have the fundamental right to privacy.

People forget that.

People get pulled over and they, you
don't have to say who you are until you've

They can clearly articulate a crime or
at least a single articulable fact that

you have potentially committed a crime.

So here in America, we have
these fundamental rights.

Other countries don't.

So like, I can totally understand how
these countries saying you need to

know everyone that joins your platform.

So that we can renew it.

So, so America is
different in that regard.

You guys see this recent,

Ps Adam: um, beach arrest?

This, this guy, I can't remember
where in America it is, but he,

he didn't have a beach pass.

I think it was in Florida or
somewhere where you have to, you

have to have these beach passes.

And the beach passes essentially
gives you permission to go and sit

on this particular beach, okay?

I don't know Who owns the beach or
why you can issue a beach pass, but

apparently you have to have a beach pass
Except it's free and clear for surfers

because nobody owns the ocean to access
the ocean So if they're going down to

the ocean, they're not putting this
stuff down on the beach Anyway, this

this police officer calls this surfer
in and the full videos now on Instagram

Um, where the guy, the police officer
asked this surfer who's in a wetsuit

and a surfboard walking down the beach
saying, Hey, where's your beach pass?

Now I guess this guy was being a bit of
a punk because he ended up having a beach

pass, but he's like, I don't need one.

I'm going down to the ocean.

He's just using his rights of
freedom to go down to the ocean.

And the police officer was having
one of those, you know, one of those

power trips, I guess it's pretty
obvious where he's like, uh, no,

you'll stop and you'll produce a pass.

He's like, I don't have one.

And so he goes to walk away and
then he goes, if you make one more

step, I'm going to arrest you.

So the, the surfer
literally just goes fine.

And he stops walking to the ocean and
he walks back up to the parking lot.

Well, obviously the, the police officer
chases him down, tackles him, arrests

him, the whole thing, and puts him
in the, and literally arrests him.

For, uh, I guess resisting
arrest, but it's all on video.

So it's not going to end well, but he's
like asking him, where's your stuff?

He goes, I don't need, there's no crime.

You haven't, you haven't
charged me with a crime.

I mean, my citizens, where's the
injured party, please tell me.

Right.

And who's the crime against, you know?

So, yeah, it's interesting how, uh,
there is authorities, there is laws, but

if you don't know your laws, um, you're
going to comply to all kinds of different

weird things that you never meant to.

Right.

We're

Carson: governed at our own consent
and not knowing the law is no excuse.

So you're going to get railroaded.

Right.

If you don't know so yeah,

Katrina: oh interesting.

Yeah.

So what okay now we've got two
extremes we've got on meta Um exposing

that there was censorship, right?

And then on the other end he's jailed
with like a five million bail He's got

Ps Adam: 20

Katrina: years 20 years.

It's crazy.

And and feed my kids if I

Ps Adam: know censorship I honestly
i'll look up for I honestly don't

have enough knowledge on this
case to comment, but that does

seem Like Very Russian right now.

You know, like, Hey, this is opposition to
our way of control, so let's put him away.

Yeah.

Yeah.

It's Julian Assange.

You know, it's, it's Julian Assange.

It's, yeah.

Carson: It, it's the next time we're
gonna be saying Free, free Telegram.

Uh, CEOI forget his name.

Remind me.

Katrina: Um, AV dur.

Yeah.

First name Pave Av.

Yeah.

Free Pave Pave is what it's gonna be.

Is he, is he Russian?

Yeah, I think so.

Wow.

Yeah.

But is Russian, is that him?

Business executive?

Mm-Hmm.

. Yeah,

Carson: he's got some, some actually
some really great, uh, tips and stuff

on, on business and stuff as well.

So I've, I've followed him for a while.

Yeah.

He's a, he's an interesting guy.

Wow.

What would be

Katrina: like, other than, okay, set
aside all the crimes that he may or may

not be aware of, censoring a platform
like that, what, if you could break

it down for us listeners, everybody,
what could that mean for all of us?

Ps Adam: Well, I feel like this is
open to all kinds of lawsuits, right?

Because what happens.

To the smugglers who drove a Toyota.

Now it was Toyota liable, because
they used their vehicle that they

purchased to use it to do a heist or
smuggle a kid or drugs or whatever.

I think you start going down all the
products that are involved and, and how

does the messaging system become the, the

Carson: enemy?

It's a jurisdiction thing, right?

So he's in the app store.

So there's actually like Apple's
jurisdiction who is incorporated.

In each country that they distribute to.

So when you enter a jurisdiction, you have
to adhere to the, you're subject to it.

So that that's what's happening here.

So if he's in EU, like at the end of the
day, what he needs to do is go make his

own PWA or something, and just, that's
what I would say, like, look at GAP.

GAP is a great model.

Like, as long as you can stay out of
the jurisdiction, um, and here's, here's

the issue is, um, then accessibility
becomes a thing because if it's a domain,

if it's Next thing you know, the, you
know, just like Chinese internet and

just like half the stuff is blocked.

The Bible stories are a little different.

Yeah.

Yes.

That's for sure.

Yeah.

So.

Katrina: Oh my goodness.

Well, what, what, how should people, okay.

Cause we talked about this.

It was really fun in the session
of like why we do hype, right?

We want people building the
products that have moral values.

Yeah.

Okay.

So if I'm a founder.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Got an idea.

Right.

But there's that potential, this like free
speech censorship, et cetera, potential,

you know, opportunity for bad actors.

How would I approach my business?

How do I, how do I think about
moving this forward if there is

always the potential of bad actors?

How do I do that morally?

How do I do that ethically
and with integrity?

Carson: You're both looking at me.

These are, these are some,
Katrina loves the great questions.

Let me affirm your question first.

Katrina, that's a very good question.

Uh, how do we go about this?

At the end of the day, I
like to put my name on stuff.

And operate that way.

Like I don't want to infringe on someone
else's rights at the end of the day,

you know, and it's due unto others.

Right.

That's so at the end of the day, if
I can put my name on it and stand by

it, um, I think that's a great thing.

A lot of times people incorporate
a business and the moment

you incorporate, you are.

You know offloading all the risk to
something else But like I think anything

like it for us as christians if we put
our name on it We should stand by it.

We should be people of our word.

We should not want to Uh to harm people
so right Is there some responsible

things that I could do because I don't
want like truly I don't want bad actors

on on my platform Can I ban them if
I can I isolate them in some way?

Yeah,

Carson: so there are things that
you could do but i'm not going to

do for the government I'm gonna
do it for me and my namesake,

Katrina: so yeah,

Carson: for Jesus namesake, we keep going.

Katrina: Pastor Adam, could you bring back
what you were saying in staff meeting?

Because I think I know, I don't, I
know that you talked about you might

bring it into the next series, but I
think with this current series that

we just wrapped up with character,
which if you're listening, you need to

go back and listen to main character.

I think a lot of that will probably answer
my question, just going back to integrity

and all of those, um, key things.

Um, character components, but could
you talk about just that idea of self?

Because I think maybe there's some
problem solving in that space when you

come and approach your business and how
you solve problems with your business.

Ps Adam: Look, I think the, the, the main
motivator and, um, instead of picking up

so much, what I was talking about this
morning, I think it's the Colossians 3.

23.

This is something I'm
very big on right now.

I'm going to take into.

Our vision season is, and I like it
in the NCV version, the new century

version, which really says, um, work
your best, okay, in everything you do.

Work your best as if you're working
for the Lord, uh, not for man.

Now that whole sentence, I feel like
whether you're a church planner,

a founder, a parent, a husband,
whatever your role is, can I put it

through the filter of what's my best?

Can I do better?

Now, this has been something that's
very confronting in my life, even as

a son, you know, like, cause you know,
we call my dad, uh, periodically.

And then I was thinking
like, could I be better?

I could.

What if I initiated the calls?

What if I took time out of my busy
life for something that doesn't seem

beneficiary to me in a business sense,
but it's like a relational equity.

Okay.

I can be a better son.

I can optimize my time.

And I think that it's in my disciplines.

Can I be better?

So I think if we worked as what's
my best, what's the best I can do.

I think it's going to be a very good guide
rail to actually producing excellence and

quality that I think reflects a good King.

Katrina: Yeah.

Yeah.

Do you want to add anything?

You look like you're about to jump in.

Carson: I just think it's good.

I've loved this whole series, by the way.

So anybody that's watching
the podcast, definitely go

check out the main character.

Katrina: Yeah, it was such a good series.

Carson: It was really good.

But, I just think about the Really the
the attributes that that make people

up like I think Pastor Adam broke that
down So well in the past messages of

just like really characters not actually
developed it's truly discovered through

the pain through the pressure through
the hardships of life and You know for

me in my life Like I feel like it's
just peeling away like God is really

stripping down what he made me to be like
It's just it's a purification process.

Yes, really?

So it's good

Ps Adam: Yeah, I think so too.

Look, I think at the end of the
day, I mean, I want to have fun.

I want to enjoy building.

Um, and sometimes I like to think
what does the next life look like?

Uh, as in the new earth and
heaven and beyond this life.

And I, I honestly think my revelation
of heaven is very different from

what people probably presume heaven.

I think people have this Sunday school
image of heaven as being white streets

and, and gold things and stuff like that.

And we're all in robes.

Everybody's white and everybody's
worshiping all the time.

Um, that's not really the
biblical definition of heaven.

I think heaven is, well, earth has
been made in the image of heaven.

Okay, God designed Eden
to his likes and tastes.

And so I firmly believe that
the new earth is very much

similar to what we do right now.

I believe there's going to be
technology, uh, that we're going to have

skills, artistry, all the things, the
spices of life, the things we enjoy.

When you think about it, I can't
think of anything I enjoy more

than sitting down with friends,
having a good meal and laughing.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Just just laughing enjoying each
other's company eating good food that I

feel is heaven Why because that's what
Jesus loved to do when he was on earth.

You would find him reclining you would
find him having a meal with people and

Enjoying the foods and the conversation.

And so I think that that is because it's
not mindless worship I think worship isn't

limited to singing by the way Worship
isn't how we do things with excellence.

Uh, the way I give, I worship.

The way I do things with the
best of my ability is worship,

because I'm honoring God.

I'm honoring the gift giver.

So there is a different paradigm I
think we need to get about Heaven,

which will change the way we operate on
Earth, because right now it's practice.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Right now is development.

Wow.

Right now is a preparation.

For heaven.

Yeah.

Because I'm a citizen of heaven.

So my, my earthly citizenship is in
many ways an opportunity to make sure

that I live out my calling here and
there is things that I can only do

on earth that I can't do in heaven.

I can't evangelize in heaven.

Katrina: Right.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Because everyone
already knows Jesus.

Katrina: Yeah.

Ps Adam: But I can evangelize here.

Katrina: You said something in
a previous conversation, I don't

remember it was on a podcast, but
you talked about how we have faith.

Here.

Yeah.

Now I don't need faith in heaven.

You need faith.

Yeah.

I, that's a mind.

So I get to

Ps Adam: exercise faith on earth.

So why would I not optimize
my faith right now?

Right.

Why wouldn't I use it
to the max right now?

Yeah.

If I don't need that in heaven,
but now it's an economy.

Wow.

Okay.

Yeah.

Well, I can, I can operate with that.

Katrina: Yeah.

That's awesome.

I think that's gonna be really freeing
for people because we've gone all over

the place in the podcast from censorship
and everything, but, but a lot.

We didn't get

Ps Adam: nearly

Carson: as hairy a scare as I thought.

I thought we were going to.

I'm trying to, I was trying to get Carson.

The guardrails are up today.

I see the FBI van outside.

There it is.

Katrina: Um, but I, I'm hoping that
the conversation becomes freeing for

a lot of the founders, entrepreneurs
who are listening to this.

Um, I've had so many conversations with a
lot of people in our church who have just.

started getting so much out of the
podcast, but I'm hoping it's freeing

because you're talking about doing
everything to the best you can.

And a lot of times you do get
stuck in the mindless or just

so focused on the ambition.

Ps Adam: I think you get
stuck in the good enough.

If I can just get, you know, I try
and remove the word just out of

as many conversations as possible.

If we could just get enough
money for this, or if we

could just get enough leaders.

Like, that just, you're already playing
from the lowest threshold possible.

What's the bare minimum?

I don't want to live in the bare minimum.

I want to live optimally.

And so I think there is words you
could take out of your language

that frames the way you operate
from, um, uh, scarcity mindset.

That's so good.

Carson: Getting better is important.

I love what Alex Ramosi says.

He says that either you're getting better
or your, or your business is like either

you're growing or your business is growing
and I'm like, oh man, those moments when I

see everything kind of becoming stagnant.

It's like, it's actually.

It's my turn to grow.

I'm like, okay, got it.

Got it.

Got it.

Ps Adam: So yeah, there's
a, there's a quote.

I can't remember who said it.

Um, but his life, the
pursuit of happiness.

Or the happiness of pursuit.

And I think if you're pursuing
happiness, it'll be endless.

But if you find the happiness in the
pursuit of doing things and doing

things, everything you do is joyful.

Yeah.

Katrina: Right.

Right.

Well, awesome.

Thank you, Pastor Adam.

Thank you, Carson.

I'm going to pull it up here.

Episode 36.

So again, if you liked this
podcast, you can subscribe, you

can like, and then email Arun.

Arun has his own podcast email.

All right.

So we want to know.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Pod.

Hype Network.

Is it Hype Network or Hype Network?

Hype Network.

Yeah.

Arun.

Katrina: So, um, you
can email him directly.

You can email podcast at hypenetwork.

org.

Let us know what you want to hear.

And

Ps Adam: how do you find out more
about Involve or something like that?

Yes.

Tell us.

Have you got handles

Carson: they can follow?

Of course.

Yeah.

Probably the easiest way is involvechat.

com.

Now look, we, we don't, we're trendy.

We don't have the E on the end of involve.

That's just what tech companies do.

We drop a few vowels.

I like that.

That's what we do.

Yeah.

But, uh, you can actually
put the E in it and go chat.

com.

It'll redirect you.

But involve.

app without the E is the most direct way.

Yeah.

Katrina: Awesome.

Thank you guys.

Thank you.

Carson: Thank you.