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Arun: New Year.

Hypod is back.

New Year, new

Ps Vance: us.

New Year, new

Ps Adam: us.

New Year, same us.

Let's go.

Let's go.

Arun: But 2024, I'm excited.

For everybody that's out there, if
this is your first time listening

to Hypod, um, we're the intersection
between tech, innovation, faith.

Um, and we have a big year ahead of
us for that, for the Hive Network.

So I'm really excited about what
the Hive Pod is going to do.

It's going

Ps Adam: to be fun.

I'm excited, guys.

I'm wearing a vest.

Oh, you are Silicon Valley.

I've definitely embraced the
Silicon, except this isn't free.

I paid for this.

It's a Tahoe vest.

It's a

Ps Vance: VC.

It's lined.

You're basically a VC.

Ps Adam: Yeah.

Right now.

This is, uh, I've actually had
a vest before, but this one's

lined, and so I'm I'm excited.

Yeah.

Are you guys

Arun: colder on the fast right now?

I know you guys are both doing
the fast right now, like,

my body's just like, colder.

Oh, you're doing

Ps Vance: the fast as well?

Arun: What kind of fast are you doing?

Uh, liquid.

Just liquids.

Three days of water.

Let's go.

And then I'm gonna add, like, apple
juice, coconut water, the next four days.

There you go.

And then bone broth.

Come on, baby.

In ten

Ps Adam: days.

Oh, wow.

So you're like, you've

Arun: mapped it out.

I've mapped it out.

Cause like, the first time I did
it, two years ago, did it 14 days.

It was way too hard, and it was just
like water, and he was like, yeah, and

so I kind of mapped it out a little bit
better so I can recover a little bit

faster and start my diet back into it.

So, ten days I got

Ps Adam: it mapped out.

Yep, you're doing the
full, just water fast

Ps Vance: as well.

No, no, no, I'm doing two juices.

You're doing two juices a day?

Veggie juices.

Yeah.

Get some vitamins, um, just on
the other side of a cold, so.

I just, I was like, you know,
I've done the water fast before,

I can't believe Pastor Adam's
running and doing the water fast.

Right, right.

That's pretty crazy.

Ps Adam: Uh, so mad respect.

It's not impressive running.

That's for sure.

Mad respect.

Uh, yeah.

Now, I'm doing the full fast only because,
um, it's too complicated to think about.

Sure.

Like, when can I look forward to my juice?

Or when can I look
forward to my bone broth?

Yeah.

For me, it's just easier
just to go Cold turkey.

Yep.

Nothing.

Let's just focus.

Just disconnect.

And there is So, day one and two,
let me just quickly map this out.

For anybody who's interested in fasting.

Uh.

I, I highly recommend it when
I'm not actually fasting.

Um, that's a good practice.

But now that I am fasting, I'll
let you know that there is a plan.

So day one and two.

You experience hunger pains
and low energy and shaking.

Ps Vance: Oh, you're,
you're mapping it out.

You're noting it.

Yeah.

Right now.

Wow.

Ps Adam: Oh, no, this isn't from me.

Oh, okay.

This is like a, uh, This is like a study.

This is what you can experience
if you're doing a ten day fast.

Got it, got it, got it.

Generally.

Yeah.

That's stage one.

Is day one and two.

So you're in day three or day two?

Day three.

Yeah, you're on day three.

Oh, so you start on the first day.

Oh, yeah.

Okay.

Uh, day.

So you're in stage two Arun,
which is days three to seven.

Your body kicks into ketosis, major
weight loss mode with high energy and

no um, Uh, no to low hunger pains,
stage three comes in at day eight.

Hey, here's where the mood shifts up
for a fasting high and energy in your

body increases and mental state is
clear and added benefit of fasting.

Oh, wow.

Wow.

That's what you got, got ahead of you.

That's that bone broth.

So

Ps Vance: like a 10 day fast is
actually a thing like, um, to reset

people's bodies and stuff like
even physically people do this.

Yeah.

I mean, it's

Ps Adam: not just spiritual.

A lot of people actually practice
fasting as a, as a physical reset.

Um, I think when, you know, the way
Jesus maps out the fast is he, he really

talks about having a lifestyle of prayer
and fasting and do it in such a way

that it literally isn't like this big
complaint that you put Pharisees would

make everyone know that they're fasting.

They'd kind of limp around
and all that kind of stuff.

The idea was just, you know, wash
your hair, you brush your teeth,

you know, make sure that you don't,
Appear to be fasting but while you're

doing it, uh, really reset your body
spiritually physically That's why

we started the year with run club.

Beautiful.

We got uh fasting fitness fun And,
uh, yeah, I think it's a, uh, I

think it's just a good practice.

Talking about

Ps Vance: community, where we left off at
the end of last year, our really deeper

connection, I'm loving this Run Club.

Oh, yeah.

I feel like people are getting involved.

Talk about this, because this is a bridge
between community, faith, technology.

It's a beautiful intersection

Ps Adam: of all that.

Yeah, I think the technology
piece is a major component.

You know, when we wanted to do it
running in the Amen Conference, Strava,

which was, is pretty much the premier.

Running app, you know, there's a
number of Nike, all that kind of

stuff, but Strava really collaborates
a lot of things and they have groups.

But the max was 20 group,
20 people in a group.

I'd reached out to, uh, their team, uh,
cause they're in, they're just, uh, local.

And, uh, I'd reached out, but they
kind of were like, Ah, look, we're

not really, it's not our core product.

It's not what we're interested in.

20 people group serve us at the moment.

And it was kind of like, okay,
it was dead in the water.

Yeah.

Then they reached out to me.

And they actually said, Hey,
we want you to beta test.

We've been thinking about your idea.

We want you to beta a 200 person group.

I thought, Oh, this is it.

What a way to start the
year with a challenge.

And man, it has been so fun.

Yeah.

Everyone's into it.

Yeah.

The, the conversations, the, I don't know.

Oh, would you call it competitiveness?

People are sure.

It's fun.

Ps Vance: Competitiveness,
accountability, uh, community.

You know, I was reflecting on this.

There's so much energy on
December 31st, January 1st, right?

As people are setting goals, right?

I think because pretty much the
whole world's on the same page that

everybody wants to improve in some way.

Yeah, right and then Obviously, it's just
diminishing returns from there across

the year because people start falling
off from that But when you have Uh, kind

of an alignment and an agreement, um,
unset or said across the whole world.

Like, Hey guys, this is a turning of
a new year, a turning of a new leaf.

We're all in agreement.

We all want to improve in some way.

It gives you this energy and,
um, and being able to do that,

uh, around a specific task, like
running has been really fun to see.

And I've been thinking
like, okay, how do we.

How do we make sure that
this energy lasts till March?

How do we make sure this
energy lasts till June?

You know what I mean?

Like, do you think that's even possible?

Ps Adam: Yeah, I think for me, that's
why I need monthly running challenges.

That's, that's why I set this emotion
because I know for me if I have a goal,

if I have accountability, if I have a
group of people doing it together, it's

the difference between me getting up in
the morning going, nah, I'm good because

no one will know, I didn't run, or, oh no,
I've got a whole group dependent on me.

If I don't pull my weight, Everyone's
gonna see it, and uh, I think that

that challenge is what keeps us going.

I love that.

Ps Vance: Yeah.

I'm a goal oriented person as
well, I'm an Enneagram 3, and

I've realized that about myself.

And I get triggered a little bit, I
don't know if this is wrong or right,

uh, maybe I'll get some counsel from
you guys, is there's a whole other

movement of like, hey, it's not
about goal setting, it's about being.

I don't understand that.

Okay.

Can we talk about that?

Because I'm like, am I
just an Enneagram three?

I'm like, I, I, I shudder to think that
we're not going to make goals this year.

Like what, what is this?

You

Ps Adam: know, you, I think you
see it every year, but this year

I've seen it a number of times.

Hey, don't set goals for the year.

Uh, set a state of mind like that.

And I'm like, well, what
does that even mean?

It's like, it's pretty much your way to.

to avoid disappointment, I guess is
what they're saying, you know, but I

think, you know, the, the, the idea
of goal setting is I'm going to set

a vision for the best version of me.

I'm going to be, um, and I, I agree.

Don't set goals without a plan
to achieve the goals, right?

You know, don't just
say, Hey, I'm going to.

You know, lose a hundred pounds this year
and then have no plan to go to the gym.

Um, but I, I think it falls into that.

Remember that movement where
it was like, um, Sabbath?

Yeah.

Yeah.

Practice the Sabbath.

It's just like,

Ps Vance: just the B movement.

It's the B.

Just B.

Ps Adam: It's don't do.

Ps Vance: Be still and know that I am God.

They use that, right?

And it's kind of like, really?

Yeah, I think there's works to our faith.

Ps Adam: I think there's some,
uh, that's for prayer, but um, No,

we're, we are big goal setters.

I love goals.

I mean, this is, I'm driven by goals.

This is all about innovation,
faith, entrepreneurialism.

How do you be an innovator without goals?

Right.

Like, what's your motivator?

Arun: Right, and I actually wanted
to talk to you guys about, what

your process is for a new year.

And I think, uh, um, a
lot of it kicked off.

I saw your tweet about asking that
question about, like, there's like

this motivation that just comes
and I didn't think about it as

like a social thing, just knowing
that everybody else is doing it.

And I was listening to this podcast
with Andrew Huberman and David Goggins.

Okay.

Um, and so Andrew Huberman was
talking about, he's like a huge,

um, Neurobiologist, and he's talking
about this part of the brain that

they just discovered called the
anterior mid cingulate cortex.

Okay, that is yeah

And it's about this part of the
brain that grows when you do things

that suck like when you do things
that you don't want To do it grows.

Yeah, and so I just want to talk like
can you guys talk about more about like?

Do you guys look for
when you setting goals?

It's not just stuff.

You're good at it's stuff that You
aren't good at to help kind of grow that

Ps Adam: willpower and stuff.

Yeah.

What a great question.

I, you know, as Vance is an
Enneagram three, I'm an Enneagram

eight, which is the challenger.

Uh, so I like to challenge everything.

Uh, and I like to be challenged.

I really do.

I love something that's difficult.

I like, we just had a hot debate out
in the staff room before because, um,

You know, all the girls are talking
about how they love Disneyland.

I don't, I know this is not going to be
popular, but I do not like Disneyland.

I also do not like, uh,
amusement park rides.

Okay, because I know that a lot of
people get adrenaline off the ride.

And sure, like, you know, going
fast is fun, but you're locked in.

It's, it's preset.

You think it's too safe?

It's way too safe.

Oh, wow.

Where's the adrenaline in something
that is going to get you to the end?

Whereas if you're on a motorcycle, or
you're in a plane, you know, you're

literally, your life is in your hands.

So you have to measure the speed, you
have to, so, so that for me is like a

challenge of mental capacity, not just
getting locked into a chair to see

you at the end, you know what I mean?

Uh, so I like a challenge.

And I love.

something that's hard.

That's why we started the
year with 10 days of fasting.

And many people said, Hey, why
don't you start the run challenge?

Cause I could decide when
we start the run challenge.

I didn't have to start at the
beginning of the year, but I'm like,

we could do it at the end of the
fast or we should do it together.

Let's do something difficult.

Ps Vance: You know, um, it's
interesting cause I thought about this.

Uh, and I would agree there's
people like you Pastor that

probably loves to do hard things.

I think I've realized, I don't know
if I love to do hard things, but

I'm willing to endure them at great
levels for the outcome and for the

reward on the other side of it.

So if it's clear to me what my
goal, objective or reward is,

I'm pretty good at enduring.

Really hard things.

Like I can, I can, um, have
stamina for like a half Ironman

or whatever, a race, whatever, if
I know what's on the other side.

Um, which a lot of times it's just like
the feeling of accomplishment, right?

Um, and, and that's what I found that,
that drives me is like, as long as I set

a clear goal and I know on the other side
of it, I'm going to be proud of myself.

I don't know if I love the
process so much, um, as much as

like, I'm willing to endure it.

See,

Ps Adam: I think I, I would
rather do the process without.

Anybody knowing about it.

Mm.

I know a lot of people will run a marathon
for the acknowledgement of the ribbon.

Mm-Hmm.

or the, the medal or whatever.

Right.

Or the shirt I ran, you know, SF Marathon.

I'd rather do it and nobody know about
it because it's the hardship of doing it.

Mm-Hmm.

. Mm-Hmm.

that I enjoy.

Yeah.

I think I see

Ps Vance: that be a
fruit of just your life.

Right.

I think a lot of people don't
realize that, hey, what it takes

to prepare a sermon and deliver it.

Most Sundays of the year, what it
takes to lead a staff, what it takes to

build an organization that's actually
built in all the secret hard things.

That's done, right?

Like, you know, everything's

Ps Adam: connected.

It is all connected.

And I think what you actually
produce when you do things without

acknowledgement, I think you build a
base layer of confidence in your life.

You actually build a, an invisible.

Uh, platform of confidence in
your life because you haven't got

acknowledgement for everything.

I think if you get acknowledgement for
everything that you do, you actually,

what you see is all that you have.

Right.

But if you know that there's a lot of
hardships I've overcome and things I've

done and nobody knows about it, I've
got a secret base level of confidence

that creates a depth to, to your life.

And I think that that comes
from embracing challenges.

Yeah.

And then do

Arun: you feel like that,
that kind of keys into.

If you do rely on like the outside forces,
then your kind of motivation comes from

them versus it coming like inward place.

Ps Adam: Yeah, for sure.

Yeah, a hundred percent.

I think that's what it, what
it takes to be an entrepreneur.

It has to come from yourself.

No one can employ you
to be an entrepreneur.

You, you've gotta, you've
gotta start something.

Mm-Hmm.

So good.

You've gotta look for opportunities.

Yeah.

You know?

Um, and I think that as you were talking
about that part of your brain Mm-Hmm.

I know what you call it again.

Anterior,

Arun: mid

Ps Adam: cingulate cortex.

There you go.

Wow, man.

You're not even reading that
. You're just literally flowing.

Um, you know, I think that does
grow in the form of, I think

once you accomplish something,
you're looking for the next thing.

Mm-Hmm.

. Yeah.

Arun: Good.

Do you guys, do you guys do that
when you guys are like going into

like a new project or a new thing?

You guys were saying this is what I'm
set for myself and I'm not because you

said because that's actually one of the
problems I had was I like to do a lot of

the work in secret and I like to do it and
I After some self reflection, it came from

like, it was out of a fear of failure.

I could fail silently.

Right.

And I wouldn't have to reveal it.

Totally.

And I, it's interesting that you say
that is actually one of the things you

do intentionally is to do that in secret.

So yeah.

I

Ps Adam: think you do both.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I was going to say, I think there's a
big part of it that is safeguarding.

You know, the fact that I don't
know if it's going to work, so

let's not, you know, have the
victory lap before we even begin.

Sure.

Um, you know, so let's
just try some stuff.

And I think that that's actually a
big note for a lot of entrepreneurs,

business, just start stuff in secret
to start, you know, like just, you

don't need to make the brand and.

Do the advertisement when you don't
actually have any product at all.

So good.

Why don't you get a product started
in secret, incubate that for a

while, and then go for funding.

You know what I mean?

Like, I think too many people
going for funding off an idea.

Yeah.

Um, which, you know, if the idea is
really good, you can get funding off that.

But I think Why don't you
build something first, get some

Ps Vance: traction.

We've seen those, uh,
church planters, right?

They got the fanciest website.

Yes.

They got the fanciest Instagram.

Oh, they got merch.

You know, they got merch.

I'm like, who's

Ps Adam: buying that merch?

And

Ps Vance: they have five people.

And it's like, no, no, no, like.

You kind of want to be underground
and it's actually better.

Yes, it's actually better.

And you know, that whole, uh,
thing about stealth, right?

Like you don't even
need to say your stuff.

People are like, it's like
coveted now that you can have

stealth on your LinkedIn.

It's like, what?

Why didn't you even say anything?

Just build it.

And then.

What

Ps Adam: is stealth?

Is it like stealth wealth?

No, it's

Ps Vance: like stealth mode.

It's like, uh, in secret.

I'm building something,
but I can't say anything.

Ha ha ha.

But

Ps Adam: I'm like, hey, you've
been in stealth for five years.

Ps Vance: Just know

Arun: I'm doing something.

Unless it's a

Ps Vance: SpaceX, I don't
think this is anything.

Ps Adam: Guys, stop it right now.

If you have stealth, stop it, alright?

Ps Vance: A lot of people

Ps Adam: have stealth.

No, come on.

Be cooler than that.

Like, actually be stealth.

Yeah.

Just say you're stealthy.

Isn't it cool

Ps Vance: when you meet somebody and it
feels like there's just so many layers?

Oh.

Like you're just like, you keep
finding out more stuff about them.

They're not saying anything.

Right.

And you're just like, wow, this person
is like the most phenomenal person.

Yeah.

That I never knew.

Ps Adam: Yep.

Yep.

As opposed to the person who's
telling you everything they do.

Right.

Well, it's

Ps Vance: underwhelming when you You
actually already knew everything.

I've had that situation where I've
looked up to people from afar, right?

And I get to be up in
close and, and personal.

And maybe that's a, I put them
too high on a pedestal, but

oftentimes I'm disappointed.

Right.

Right.

And so I've always been pleasantly
surprised though, with people.

Didn't know that's been kind of a divine
connection and you just peel back layers

and you're like, wow you know what the
thing is actually is I found I get really

impacted when There's a lot of references
around them Referencing them Chris.

Yeah.

Oh, you got to know this guy's the one
that believed me This guy's the one that

put me on man He is the one that gave
me that phone call that encouragement

and like when that happens like six
seven eight times about that same I'm

like, well, I need to know that person.

Yeah You know, that is really cool.

And I think what I like

Ps Adam: about that too is the fact that
it's not obvious, like, just because

they're well known or something like
that, you're like, okay, so now I want

to know how did you do that and what
is that driving force because they're

such an overachiever or they've actually
built something so good that you're

like, man, now I can, can I dig in?

You're very interesting to me.

Um, I think that's the
same with David Goggins.

I mean, this guy is a
maniac for difficult things.

Oh yeah.

You know, but he's the kind of guy that
actually lives it and it's inspiring.

Yeah, I think that is another Motivator
for me is I do want to live a life.

That's inspiring.

I don't want to live a life.

That is Arrogant just telling people
what to do, but not doing it myself

And so I think there has to be
something substantial to when I'm

asking people to do something, have I
actually had the disciplines to follow.

Arun: Yeah.

I think that's one of the beauties
of what David Goggins says.

It's not about his, like,
motivational speeches.

He's not just a talker.

Everything he does is like, this is
how I work and how I have to work.

Ps Vance: We only talk while he's running.

Right.

Ps Adam: He's not, he's not saying,
hey, just be this year, guys.

Yeah, he's saying,

Arun: hey.

Like the exact opposite.

He's like, get out and do.

Just, you have to work.

Why is there

Ps Vance: this, like, assault on doing?

I don't know.

There's like an assault

Arun: on working hard.

Ps Vance: It's unbelievable.

Bring back

Ps Adam: the doers.

Let the doers be doers.

I wanted to

Arun: chat about the faith component
of that, and then the work component.

Cause there's a, last week,
the New Year's, um, sermon.

Great sermon, by the way.

That was great.

And it's a lot about, like, the
promises that are gonna come.

You know.

Like a common faith thing that
I've seen is like you pray

for it and then you just wait.

And it's not like there
has to be work put in.

But there's always work.

Even if you're a faith person or not faith
person, there always has to be work in it.

Where do you see that like difference
in praying about it and waiting versus

always knowing that you have to put the

Ps Adam: work in?

Yeah, I don't, I don't know.

Look, I think the, the waiting
is a different mentality.

Okay.

So when I was talking about on Sunday,
as I was literally preaching, so

many people focus on the promise
and holding onto the promise.

Whereas, what if Caleb, he held on to
the promisor, so what's better than

holding on to one promise, is if I
hold on to God the promisor, there's

going to be many promises, but I'm
going to keep holding on to Him.

I think it's the same with waiting.

If my understanding of waiting
is just sitting still, well

that's one option of waiting.

Or, what a waiter does in a
restaurant is they wait on you.

So they lean in, they ask,
can I get you some water?

Can I get you this?

Can I get you dessert?

Can I get you the bill?

Like there is an active waiting.

And I think that that
waiting is that anticipating.

Okay.

So this is the mindset of I'm praying now
I'm anticipating it's going to happen.

So what do you do when you're anticipating
you stop, you start getting ready.

You start preparing stuff.

You know, if you're going to go.

New Year's coming.

I'm going to get a new body.

I'm going to get, I'm going to
start shaping my garage into a gym.

I'm going to start moving
some things around.

I'm not just going to wait
for the new year and go, well,

nobody made this happen for me.

God, where are you?

No, no.

I actively anticipated it.

So I think there is a beautiful
combination that you, and honestly,

when the promise comes in.

Was, was the promise for God to begin it,
or as you begin it, He comes alongside

you and actually starts to open doors.

You know, it's, I, my, uh, My pastor
used to always say this, it's very

difficult to steer a still car.

You know, when you're in the vehicle
and you're sitting there, it's not

moving, you're trying to move the
steering wheel so hard, but as soon

as you get some motion, it can direct.

That's what God's looking for sometimes,
is just for us to get moving with

something, and then it's like we direct.

It's like, oh, I can, I can
actually begin to pivot and move.

and see the promises fulfilled.

Ps Vance: What would you say the
difference between what you just

said there and the theology or
the almost cult like belief in

visualization and manifestation?

Ps Adam: Yeah, I don't know.

Because that's

Ps Vance: popular with Gen Z.

Oh yeah.

It's so popular.

Manifestation

Ps Adam: is really popular.

This word manifestation is not
something that you conjure up.

That's actually witchcraft.

When you conjure something, you're
actually in the area of witchcraft.

Manifestation is not the
origin, it's the byproduct.

Okay.

Got it.

So manifestation as comes as a result of
God doing something, not something I made.

I didn't, I can't just manifest
something now for me to get a

vision is more of a direction.

It's not me visualizing.

I've got a red Ferrari.

Boom.

There it is.

If I enjoyed, if I do it, the
pain enough to produce that in my

mind, the reality of it's there.

No, a manifestation is
a by product of healing.

Got it.

So, okay, so I pray for Arun.

He's got a sore shoulder.

I'm going to pray, but the
manifestation is the healing.

Mm hmm.

That came as a result of
me partnering with God.

Right.

Not me making it happen.

Ps Vance: Right.

Yeah, and you're saying that if you're
treating manifestation as the origin.

Right.

Uh, You know, word could be
witchcraft or basically you're

severing your relationship from God
because you're giving him no credit.

Correct.

You're

Ps Adam: doing it in,
in, in your power, right?

You're actually create, I do
say it as witchcraft because

it's in the conjure, right?

That's what conjuring is.

Conjuring is bringing up
spirits or bringing things up.

And there's a level

Ps Vance: of power to that.

Right?

I mean, the Bible talks about it.

The enemy has a level of

Ps Adam: dominion.

Definitely.

Definitely.

There is a, there is a demonic force.

So

Ps Vance: somebody could actually
be successful in doing that,

but it will lead to destruction.

A hundred percent.

Essentially.

It's not

Ps Adam: sustainable.

Well, it leads to an erosion of your
soul because it becomes self dependent.

This is why I also don't like self help.

There is no such thing as self help.

How can you help yourself?

Mm-Hmm.

. If you're helpless, how
do you help yourself?

You actually need a savior.

You need someone to help you.

Mm-Hmm.

. So if you are drowning
out in the ocean , right?

And you're like, I'm gonna
self-help myself, you know what?

I'm gonna be a better swimmer.

Hmm.

All of a sudden I'm gonna
get some more energy.

No, that doesn't.

There is nothing for you to draw on.

Mm-Hmm.

. What you need is someone to come with a
buoy and be like, Hey, here's some help.

Ps Vance: Mm.

Yeah.

The lines are being blurred, I
feel like with, uh, preachers,

pastors, motivational speakers.

Mm-Hmm.

, I feel like it's starting
to become really blurry.

Right.

And I, I could make an argument
both ways where I, if I were to make

an argument for the pastor, turn
motivational speaker, it's like, Hey.

Um, here's another net, I guess,
uh, you know, another gateway, um,

for people, another piece of bait
for people, um, to hear the gospel.

But at the same time, I also think
it, it is kind of blurry when, you

know, you, you made a post about it
maybe a few months ago about this

whole thing about the inner me, right?

And then people not even
talking about the devil anymore.

Well, you know, I

Ps Adam: watched it.

I watched a very prominent minister.

I will not say the name.

yet, but, um, there was this very
prominent minister that everybody

would know about if I said their name.

And, cause my buddy who, uh,
we did CrossFit with, he, he

actually had his testimony.

He sent it in.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

And, uh, this is a mega, mega
church and they interviewed him.

And I actually ended up watching the
whole sermon and the whole time, not

once did they say Jesus, did they say
the Holy Spirit, did they say even God.

It was all about.

There are three promises that you're
going to profess and this and that

and that and and think happy thoughts
almost and I'm like Oh my god, there

was like a whole sermon and not
once did you say the name of Jesus?

Did you know and so there
was no association to that.

It was all in the self help right
category now This is probably the biggest

selling Christian author in history.

This has got the biggest church.

And so obviously there's a
whole Group of people that want

spiritual self help or motivation.

Yeah, but it's not biblical Yeah,
because it misses the key element, which

is christ It's not by what i've done.

It's by what he did good.

So christ set me free.

It's through christ and christ alone So
good, so that becomes a key component

to the motivator of my life because of
what christ has done Now I get to do so.

How do you bring

Ps Vance: that into goal setting?

How do you bring Christ into, you
know, we, sometimes it could feel

almost, uh, that we're very similar
to the world in, in terms of when I

post a tweet about my goals and stuff
like that, I'm not too dissimilar

from a lot of my secular friends.

Um, how do you involve Christ into that

Ps Adam: process?

Yeah, that's a, that's
a really good question.

I put it into two categories.

I've put it into permission and power.

So because of what Christ
has done, I have permission.

Uh, I get to now.

It's not a got to.

I'm not trying to earn
salvation by my works.

I'm not driven.

So if I could prove myself, then Jesus
will be happy with me or somehow I'll

achieve some success in my own measure.

No, because of what he's done, I'm free.

So everything I do from here is
out of a plus, you know, so I've

got permission and I have power.

I've got the power of the Holy Spirit.

I have an edge because
of Christ in my life.

I'm convinced I have this.

unnatural edge of insight
with the Holy Spirit.

When I look at Daniel, look at
Shadrach, Meshach, I look at Joseph,

these, all these guys had This, this
supernatural edge to insight, to visions,

dreams, interpretation, unmerited
favor with dignitaries and kings,

and they just got access to place.

And I feel like, okay, as a
believer, I've got that edge.

I've got the Holy Spirit.

I've got God working with me, God
illuminating things, God keeping me

all while I know at the same time,
it's balanced with the world hating me.

And so I've got to understand
I've got an opponent.

In the enemy, there are going
to be people that hate me.

They don't even know why they
hate me, which is because

I've got the name of Christ.

Okay, that's the expectation.

But I've also got the
inside edge of Intel.

Imagine if you just have
this like secret Intel team.

How much that would help you?

Well, that's what we have as believers.

Ps Vance: Yeah, because the ultimate
thing is glory to God, right?

Yes.

So that is cool because I was actually
literally last night reflecting with

Kim on just this journey at Vive.

And you know.

There's been a lot of hard work,
uh, there's been um, a lot of, you

know, really good strategies and
implementation and all that type of stuff.

But at the end of the day, like there
is this theme carrying out through the

past 12 years of like, God was with us.

Exactly.

Like, like, yes, you know, we were happy
that God could use us and we could partner

with Him and all that type of stuff.

But at the day, there were
some miracles along the way.

There was many.

Many miracles.

Miracles along the way
that's like, man, God was in.

Yeah.

And that's one of our unmeasurable

Ps Adam: goals.

We actually have immeasurable goals.

Yeah, good.

Because one of our immeasurable goals
is in 2024, we want to move of God.

Wow.

But how do you measure that?

Right.

Right.

It's, it's not like, well, we want to just
double in size or we want X amount of,

you know, uh, people coming to Christ.

Well, we want to move of God
that sometimes is immeasurable,

but it's not intangible.

So how do I set an
expectation of God moved?

And we will know it when we see it.

Wow, that is

Arun: really

Ps Vance: good.

How would you, uh, disciple Arun how to
take that concept into a secular work

Ps Adam: setting?

That's and that's exactly how what
I was going towards is the fact that

you can expect this in your business.

Okay.

As a believer, as a faith filled
innovator, you can You can

actually have the expectation.

I could do one of two
things this year in 2024.

I could play the game like everybody else.

I could have good business metrics.

And I think you need to,
that needs to be basic.

Table stakes.

Exactly.

But you need to lean
into the X factor of God.

What advantage do you have as a faith
filled innovator over everybody else out

there who's running the same race, who's
trying to achieve success and market

share and all those kinds of things.

You have to go, I'm going to
lean into the Holy Spirit.

So, let me create a pattern of prayer.

Let me get dependent daily on God.

Let me bring that into my workplace,
like you've done it with Overflow.

You know, there is, uh, you don't
have, you don't necessarily just

have a Christian, uh, team staff.

You have all kinds of people
from different backgrounds, but

you bring God at the center.

You talk about faith all the time.

It's at the core of who you are.

And I think that that
actually sets a differential.

That's what you're looking for.

Yeah.

You're looking for a differential.

A differential.

What gives you a leverage?

In this hot throat business of
building businesses and innovating,

what gives you the leverage?

Ps Vance: I love that.

That's the title, by the way for this
pod, Build with the X Factor of God.

Yeah, that is so cool.

I would

Arun: love to continue to dive into
that and like how you do it with

overflow and stuff like you could
like, Pastor Adam saying, like, what

are some of the keys that let you
continue to do that through overflow?

Ps Vance: I think has been so powerful
is that we rooted the company, um, in a

biblical proverb, um, literally scripture.

Right.

And something that I've grown to
appreciate more and more, I've always

appreciated it at least for the last
decade I have, but more and more now, um,

having it in the fabric of our company.

Proverbs 11, 24, the world is
generous, gets larger and larger.

Like, these first principle truths
that are there in plain sight for

us in the Bible are so powerful,
are so potent that I'm getting new

revelations on this passage and all
the surrounding passages around it.

Like, I can go, I feel like.

And this is why I tell people, I feel like
Overflow is going to be my life's work.

Um, and I don't know, uh, organizationally
how it looks like and how it morphs

in the future, but just generally
the concept of generosity, um, I

can go deep for a really long time.

Like, I feel like this is a kingdom.

Truth in principle like a part of heaven
that we can bring down to earth that

that will take me Multi generational,
uh, you know for live through my kids

and things like that and when you get
something like that Like you're excited.

You're excited to discover something
new You're excited to layer it with

a story and with an experience and
with related scripture and so I think

You know, um, I like that word about
get to, uh, it's a, it's a constant

renewal for me of like, okay, cool.

I was rooted in scripture and
it's not going to be monotony.

It's not going to be
going through the motions.

I'm going to.

fall in love with it
again and again and again.

It's like romance, right?

It's like, I can choose romance
for my relationship, right?

Through the ups and the downs,
through all the different stages

in the seasons, through the, the
younger skin and the older skin.

Like I can, I can do all of that.

By a choice, by working at it, by
having a framework of romance, right?

And it's the same thing
with what you do in life.

It's like, cool, like I've, the
foundation is scripture, but it's on

me to put in the work of romancing
that and falling in love with that and,

um, unpacking layers to that, right?

Yeah.

Ps Adam: You know, I think, I don't
think you can expect a different company.

If it's the same, you, I don't think
you can expect to build in 2024, a

better company, but you stay the same.

So true.

So I think what you have to start with
is a deeper, uh, design to who you're

going to be and there you've got to, you
know what you get to architect your life.

If you don't architect your life, you're
going to walk through life responding

or reacting to every situation.

So true.

When something pops up, what's
your going to be reaction?

But if I actually architect my life
and I design my life in who I'm going

to be, we do this through axioms.

You do this through all kinds of
different, uh, mental positions

where you say, this is who I'm
going to be in every season.

I'm going to be consistent.

I'm going to be clear.

Those kinds of things that build a
framework like an architect framing out

your life so that when pressure comes.

You've got the stability to handle it.

You're not living in regret going,
man, I could have handled that better.

I probably shouldn't have
yelled that person out.

You know, I shouldn't have done that
because you're actually becoming, say,

for a CEO, you're going to be a byproduct
of reactions to how everybody else is.

So true.

Or you're going to break the iceberg.

By actually being the one at the leader
going, I know how we're going to do

and everyone's going to follow me

Arun: so good.

That's really good.

I don't know if people I myself,
I haven't really thought of

it as architect my own life.

And I think going into a new year
like that, and really thinking

about, you know, when we say like,
we're setting resolutions, or we're

setting goals for so really, it
should be We're seeing a framework

of how I'm going to live my life.

Yes.

Do you have some like tips for
people that are trying to like

set this up for the first time?

Yeah, I

Ps Adam: think the best way to do that
is to actually look back in 2023 and

look at those moments you went, Oh, I
could have probably done that better.

I could have handled that better.

Maybe it's in marriage.

Maybe it's as a parent, maybe it's as
a CEO, you know, where could I have

actually been a little bit more risky
maybe, or where could I be more confident?

And I think you've got
to assess your persona.

Personas.

They're not static.

You are not stuck in your personality.

You get to engineer or
architect even your personality.

So even the idea of you look back and
go, I was probably a little sad or I was,

maybe I was a little bit mad all the time.

Uh, this year I'm going
to, I'm going to be happy.

And so even now going from what you
want to be, then create an axiom.

So, uh, smile when I'm not talking.

Just just try in between talking smile
because sometimes it makes you reassess.

What is my face?

Yeah, what is my natural demeanor?

Am I naturally a smiley person or my
frowny person and that change alone

will make you more approachable So
you might find people coming up and

doing deals with you People wanting to
actually collaborate with you because

they're like, Hey, you're approachable.

You're friendly rather than,
Hey, I thought you were mad.

I didn't want to approach you.

Kira and I had to make this decision.

One time we were out and, uh, when
we used to live in San Jose, we

would go on, you know, date nights
and sometimes, you know, you.

You guys are married.

You know what?

A date night isn't as romantic.

It's more like you have an argument.

Yeah, yeah, for sure.

We were on this one date night in Los
Gatos and we were kind of having a

little bit of an argument and I think
we just got to that point in the meal

where we're just sitting eating, you
know, and we're not even talking.

Yeah, yeah, totally.

And that Sunday someone said,
Hey, I saw you guys on date night.

I know, I know.

But I didn't say anything because it
looked like you guys were a bit intense

and I'm like, Oh my gosh, you know.

They're always watching.

They're always watching.

And so I think it actually reminded
us, Hey, on our date nights.

We're, we're going to model this,
we're going to be happy, but even

in our own life, like, Hey, I don't
want to be unapproachable because I'm

internally doing something that my
face is showing something different.

It's so good.

So building axioms, you know what I mean?

Like just that will, will keep you in that
moment true to who you design it to be.

Yeah.

Ps Vance: I love that.

Yeah, Kim, Kim's word for the year is, uh,
present and she's always in the future.

She's like a brilliant planner.

And so she's trying to be
disciplined and being present.

Um, and I've seen her like these axioms
and every time we're like, uh, at a place

or a store or whatever, she's, she's,
uh, Has mechanisms now to ask them.

Hey, how's your day going?

And they just simple stuff like that.

It's revolutionary.

Yeah Yeah, it just it's a force
function to be present in the moment.

And then you realize well, thanks
God Like you can even just use that

because like people are not doing it
Apparently right and and I had a similar

situation where I was in a flight and
I was literally leaving the flight.

And, uh, and the, the stewardess
was like, bypass your vans.

And I was like, Oh,
they're always watching.

Why don't you tell me at the end?

I felt like I just slapped him.

My mouth was open and like,
you can't tell me that you got

to tell me at the beginning.

Exactly.

You know, and then, but then
you realize, oh man, like,

it's not even just about that.

It's just like, you know, yeah, being,
being present, knowing that I'm a leader.

Yeah.

Um, I want to live an inspiring life.

I want it to be like, Oh, if somebody met
me up close, they weren't disappointed.

Like I was saying about other people
earlier, you know what I mean?

Yeah.

And that's, I think

Ps Adam: what you're going to do is
you, you frame the person you want

to be, and then you make a plan.

Yeah.

You're going to have a schematic.

You've got to follow something.

So I put in my notes, I put all these,
uh, philosophical leadership principles.

I put axioms in one.

I just added recently is be
real at all costs because it's

going to cost you to be real.

It's going to cost maybe some
likes, it's going to cost some maybe

opportunities, but I feel like being
real is I can keep that consistent.

So I'm going to be real at all costs.

Doesn't mean be rude, it means be real.

And so there's these things that you
add in, in each and every season.

How many do you have, like 20?

10?

No, I've only got 6 at the moment.

Oh, cool.

Oh, do you refresh them every year?

No, I add to it.

Oh, yeah.

But they're deep, philosophical ones.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Like character.

They've got to resonate deep.

It's not like something, oh, this
week I'm smiling all the time.

Oh, that rhymes.

You know Like, I think it, um, it's got
to, it's got to literally be something

that you've built in your core.

Yeah.

That keeps you on track.

When

Arun: you guys do this, do you guys take,
like, I've heard, like, LeBron, Zero Dark

Thirty, you know, you go to yourself, go
to your dark place, and then kind of just,

you know, like, Focus on that inner self.

Do you guys take some time to learn?

What's a dark place?

Oh, sorry.

Just like, not like a dark, like mental
state, but like, just like a isolation

kind of place where it's just you.

And like, I've seen you guys, you
know, prayer retreats kind of thing

where it's just you and God maybe.

And then you're kind of
like inward reflection.

Do you guys do that when you, or do you
guys take You know from like you guys

are best friends you guys take some like
okay How do you think I did last year or

from your wife or something like that?

Yeah,

Ps Adam: I think um, I definitely
every i'm a big proponent of a

prairie tree I've been trying to
push fans to do it for a long time.

Um, but I think it's so challenging
To I love alone time I, I surfaced

this recently at Kim's birthday party,
um, cause he had this game where it's

like you've got to write a statement
and nobody can guess it, like, and

who would guess that Adam likes it?

But I do.

I like mowing the lawn.

I like no distractions, you know,
but over three or four days,

that's difficult when it's just
you and there's no one to talk to.

So it's, it confronts something within
you, your need for conversation or to fill

the gaps and just to be present with God.

So I'm a big fan of it.

Um, the self assessment thing,
I think marriage, if marriage is

done right, marriage will be a
constant critique of yourself.

If you want to get to
the truth, ask your wife.

I don't think Kira and I
have ever sat down and said,

Hey, how did we do this year?

Because she offers it.

Okay.

So, so, and, and for me,
that's a healthy marriage.

That's not like a.

Oh man, I wish you'd let me know.

It's because we're bettering each other
that we're in such close proximity that,

uh, and you know, I feel like she's
able to offer more advice than I am to

her, but you know, I probably need more.

Arun: Can I just touch on that?

Cause you, you mentioned this and
I'm on my first couple of years

of marriage and I know I expected
marriage to be like this really fun,

you know, partnership kind of thing.

But then when she offered
all of this critique.

Without me asking, I was
like, man, there's a lot.

Ps Vance: No,

Ps Adam: but that's exactly,
that's exactly what it's like,

you know, it's kind of like, Hey,
remember when we fell in love,

um, I was all these things before.

You

Arun: love me, right?

Yeah.

At some point,

Ps Adam: but I think that's the
beauty, that's the beauty of marriage.

Marriage is not about happiness.

Marriage is about partnership.

Marriage is about self sacrifice.

Marriage is really about what it
looks like to partner with somebody.

And I think if you're a teammate,
you'd want that teammate to help

you be the best version of yourself.

I also

Ps Vance: think that what I've
realized is At the end of the

day, your wife, actually first and
foremost, is looking for security.

And so, if those critiques or those
challenges are coming more frequently,

um, what I've learned is that I
actually need to lead stronger, right?

Um, and that doesn't
mean that I'm removed.

I'm married to Kim.

She's, she's great.

Um, but I do realize that actually
she's, she's longing to be led as well.

And so part of like actually the challenge
is more just like questions like,

Hey, what's the plan for X, Y, Z, this
kid, that kid, this, you know, stage

of life, you know, things like that.

And, and that's been a good
accountability measure for me,

um, to really grow my leadership.

And it's been fun because
we're built for that, right?

Especially as men, right?

We're

Ps Adam: built to be leaders.

And most of the things that your wife,
let me give you a hack, most of the

things, because we'll be going on 22
years married in a couple of weeks.

You'll actually look back consistently
over your marriage, the things that

she highlights are inconsistencies.

That's, they're the things
that she's addressing.

Good hack.

It's, it's not even habits.

It's inconsistencies.

Wow.

Actually habits are more comforting
for your wife to know that you're

predictable because they find so much
security out of predictability, knowing

consistency and all those kinds of things.

And so if you can actually look
back and go, Oh, you were just

highlighting some inconsistencies in me.

Uh.

That's why I probably got upset,
offended, you know what I mean?

Uh, because if it's not, if
it doesn't hit a real point,

you won't get upset about it.

Yeah, yeah, so true.

But at the end of the day, you know,
yeah, I'm being inconsistent there.

Arun: That is probably the hardest
thing to realize when you're like,

the reason I'm upset is because

Ps Adam: it's real.

It's true.

I think you spend the first 10 years
of your marriage defending yourself.

Yes, yes, yes, 100%.

And then the next 10, guess what, the next
decade is just going, yep, you're right.

You disagree.

Oh,

Ps Vance: honestly?

Like, that is, that's
actually so powerful.

Yeah.

Yeah, you're right.

Will you forgive me?

Yes.

Oh.

100%.

Ugh.

It's done.

That's hard.

That's hard.

You know what?

It's genuine.

It's just like, hey, you're right.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Yeah, I think sometimes
we, as husbands, maybe have a,

um, this, this mindset that we're
more impressive than we are.

Or we're trying to impress.

100%.

Yeah.

You know, and we're always
trying to impress our wife.

So when she sees an insecure, like a
flirt or something, we're like, no,

you come back with such ferocity.

Um, but after a while you're like, Oh man,
she is madly in love with me regardless.

So let me just go, Hey, you know what?

You're

Ps Vance: right.

I know this is definitely a little bit
different, at least, uh, for leading

a staff or a company and organization.

Um, is there any principles
that is carried over though?

Um, and if it's different, how

Ps Adam: is it different?

I think the longer you are
a leader, a CEO, the more

comfortable you are in your skin.

I think a new leader is trying to
establish who they are as a leader.

Yeah.

So I definitely think there
are those correlations.

I definitely think that a brand new
company leader who you're hiring

staff, you're, you're trying to
balance between leader and friend.

Yeah.

And you're trying to keep the environment
friendly and you're trying to win people.

But.

But at the end of the day,
that doesn't lend towards being

the leader you need to be.

And so I think over time, you
actually get more comfortable.

You actually get to know you better
in a business where it's, I think

it's kind of the same in marriage.

Marriage helps you get to know you
better because you've got a constant.

Partner.

Yeah.

Mirror.

Yeah.

Kira and I used to, there's,
it used to be this saying,

uh, it's us against the world.

Um, it was like, you know, we always
change it to us for the world.

We are going to be
better to help the world.

We're going to be better.

So us coming together, we have to
better each other so that the world

is better because of us being married.

And so it wasn't us, us versus them.

It was no, we're going
to get better for them.

And so that was like a mindset
that we've always carried.

And I think that, you know, it's
hilarious going on to 22 years married.

I look at when we got married, I
thought we knew each other so well.

Now I look at, we, we, we were
complete strangers compared to

how much we know each other now.

So good.

So you think about that
in your role as a leader.

Yeah.

Starting out now, you don't
even know who you are.

You think you know who
you are, but you don't.

But you're going to, over the next
20 years, actually start to learn

some things about you and traits
that you're going to know yourself.

T.

D.

Jakes says it this way, he
always says, Um, I date myself.

Yeah, so good.

And it means he just has intentional
conversations with who he is.

What am I becoming?

How am I seen?

What am I living?

And I don't think that assessment happens.

That's probably the best assessment
at the beginning of a new year.

Who am I?

And what am I going to

Arun: be this year?

Yeah.

That's really good.

When you guys are doing this, um, as
a leader, when you don't have like

maybe, you know, your wife there to
kind of reflect instantly, do you

bring people into that process of
leadership so that they can kind of

give you that mirror to look at, to kind
of see how you're doing as a leader?

Or is it like, You know, how do you get
that kind of feedback properly when you're

kind of like, you don't have a wife?

Yeah.

Like a wife in business,
I guess, you know?

Right.

Like, how do you get that?

Cause a wife is the one that's
there, like a mirror giving you

all that feedback instantly.

But in leadership, you kind of leading
a lot of people, but do you make sure

you have one or two people that are

Ps Adam: right next to you?

I think that's the best,
the best use of a mentor.

Um, a mentor, somebody above you, it's
going to be someone you're submitted to.

Got it.

It can't just be a random person.

Because therefore you're like,
Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, man, I

thought, I thought we were cool.

You know, um, I think it's
going to be someone that

you've invited into that space.

I'm, I'm a big proponent for pastoring.

So what the world calls
mentoring, I call pastoring.

So, you know, I have a pastor that
I call and, uh, then there are, uh,

definitely other people that are in the
mentorship category, but they're more

on the business strategy kind of things.

And they're not, they don't
have permission to kind of pull

apart my life and my fabric
and, and because that's, that's.

It requires you being vulnerable, which
is always a moment of instability.

And if it isn't done in love, it could
actually damage, you know what I mean?

So I think that role is a very
careful role to seek out, um,

if it's character building.

And that's kind of the area that I'm
talking about is in the character framing,

who are you comes down to your character,
your personality, those kinds of things.

Would you agree?

Oh,

Ps Vance: I totally agree.

I guess.

Um, you know.

A lot of people listening to this pod
might be in different campuses, uh,

and they would obviously consider you
their pastor, but maybe don't get to

meet with you, um, on a regular basis.

How would you instruct them?

And maybe you're listening to this and
you're part of another church, right?

How would you instruct them to seek out?

If they don't have their
direct relationship with

Ps Adam: the lead pastor.

Yeah, I definitely would.

Because it doesn't have
to be the lead pastor.

It could be a pastor, right?

Like, so it could be a small group leader.

It could be, um, you know, a team leader.

Like if you're serving on a team.

It could be a number, like a group leader.

Whatever the leader is.

And then, you know, there are Uh, uh,
other opportunities that you can seek out.

So something that we've been even
establishing with the Hype, uh,

membership is we've been trying
to create like a group of people

that we could do mentorship calls.

And then there's opportunities for
people in that membership to go,

Hey, can we get a one on one chat?

It's really good.

And so I think it's just seeking out
the avenues if you're not connected

to maybe a pastor per se, um, but you
can't just expect, I don't think you can

expect a mentor to come into your world.

It's something you have
to actively seek out.

It's something that you
have to give and take.

So I can't just call my pastor
and expect he's going to pastor me

just because I'm a likable person.

What am I, what value am I giving him?

So good.

Am I building something he's building?

Am I investing into his ministry?

Am I doing something that
warrants and justifies his time?

Yes.

Otherwise I'm just being selfish
and expecting everything for free.

So good.

Ps Vance: Good hack.

I love that.

That's really

Arun: good.

Um, and before we close the pod, there's
one question that I want to answer, and

it was actually your question that you
started the pod with, your tweet, and

it was kind of like, we start the year
off, we have all these goals, we have

all these motivations, then over time,
you know, kind of, you know, falters off.

What do you think that is?

Like, what do you think, for you
guys, I just want to go into your

process that keeps you going all year.

Hmm.

Ps Vance: Yeah.

I mean, I feel like.

Um, one thing that is helpful is
really setting big audacious goals,

uh, but then, and maybe this is what
you're talking about with your monthly

challenges, um, is being able to take
those big audacious goals that you

have, maybe that's going to take the
whole year and being able to break it

down into bite sized chunks, right?

And so thinking about things
systematically, you know, if I Think

about it in terms of my company.

We have a big audacious goal,
like an actual numeric goal

that scares us a little bit.

We're definitely going to need God
in that process, uh, to intervene and

partner with him to see that happen.

Um, but we can't just like be
fixated on just that, right?

We need to now work backwards from there.

And so we think about it in
breaking it down for halves.

So we say H1, H2, then we even break
down that half into Q1, Q2, right?

Um, and then we can break
it down even into months.

And then we take those months
and we break it down into teams.

And so once you start working backwards,
you start realizing we got a lot to do.

yesterday, right?

Like, you know, and there's this constant,
um, flow of activity and momentum.

And as long as you have been
intentional with making sure that

everything's connected to that main
goal, that North star goal that

everybody can recite and know and
know, like the back of their hand.

Um, then, then all those micro activities
that are happening on a daily basis

should collectively help you achieve.

that goal.

So that's how I think about it
is just like break it down like

an engineer into its components.

That's so

Ps Adam: good.

Yeah.

We always say bad goals need good rhythms.

Bad being big audacious
dreams need good rhythms.

So if you have a big
audacious dream for the year.

What's the rhythm that you're
gonna start walking it out?

Okay, so you need they can
be boiled down to disciplines

commitments Those kinds of things.

I don't know if have an accountability
partner works If anybody was hoping that

I say that because I've never really found
that to be successful I think you just

need to create a deep internal discipline.

Mm hmm.

You need to get that motor That will
find that motor what what's gonna

keep you accountable to you Yeah and
driven because if you don't have a

drive mode It doesn't matter how big
your dreams are, you're actually just

going to end up sitting on the couch.

Yeah.

But everybody who's successful
has found their motor.

They've found that deep internal
motor that they know how to switch

that on and be like, I don't
care if there's a brick wall.

I'm pushing through that because
I'm going to achieve the dream.

But I think it comes, the bad
goals come from good rhythms.

How do I get a rhythm in my life?

Where, for me, it's
accountability and the challenge.

You know what I mean?

Like a monthly challenge.

Or setting, as Vint said, periodic
goals that I can hit and nail.

I love that.

Arun: Have you guys had to go through
the process of first, I think something

they talked about in the pod with David
Goggins, the first thing he had to

learn, it wasn't about finding success,
it was about, Learning how to fail.

Okay.

And like had you guys had to go through
that process yourselves about learning

how to fail properly before you

Ps Adam: guys?

I personally have never
had to learn how to fail.

It came naturally

, .
Arun: I think more around
like handling the failure,

Ps Adam: probably.

Well, got you, got you.

. Um, yeah, no, I think, um, yeah, I
think the handling the failure is how

long does it take you to get back up?

Mm-Hmm.

That's what, that determines
how well you handle failure.

Mm-Hmm.

Like, do you get.

When you fail, not if you fail, but when
you fail, are you now stuck or, and is

your character, you know, broken and your
identity dismantled because you failed?

Or you're just like, okay, cool.

I learned a way not to do it.

Or maybe I learned something
that I should have done.

And I think that anybody who's successful
is going to have a long story of failures.

For sure.

Yeah.

And,

Arun: and I feel like you learn
a lot more in the failure.

I mean, at least to me perfectly, like
the failure that I've gotten and had to

like work to, that's when I've learned
a lot when I've just been kind of like

a situation has just kind of worked
itself out without a lot of effort.

Yeah.

I haven't learned much at all.

But once that failed and I worked
through and then I got to the

other side, that's what I always

Ps Vance: think back to those moments.

You know what?

Um, I feel like sabotages my goals
and my rhythms, uh, more than

even failure is actually surprise.

Ambush.

Right.

Right.

Unexpected situations that I feel like
I'm a planner, but I didn't plan for it.

Yeah.

Right.

And what I learned about myself
in 2023 is how do I handle that?

Because it's going to come again.

Yeah.

Right.

I don't know when.

That's why it's a surprise.

But how do I process surprise so
that it doesn't stay a stress?

Because what I realize is that
the manifestation, right, of

of me not processing surprise.

It's turning into stress for long
periods of time is things that I

don't want to do like I love eating
But like there's an there's a level

of eating where you're coping.

Mmm, right like I I I love all these
different type of things But I realized

these things can get to an area where
now I'm doing it to cope Right because

I'm not actually handling that thing
that surprised me that thing that

was in the expected whether it's like
relationally family wise Business

wise, uh, spiritual, whatever it is.

And so that's what I learned about myself,
uh, in 2023, that, you know, talking about

self assessment, who I want to be is like,
that's man, you know, I think a lot of

people get sabotaged with the surprise
and life is full of surprises, right?

Um, you know, that, that diagnosis that,
you know, and you have all these lofty

goals and you, you probably in a vacuum
would be able to do it, but guess what?

It's not a linear path.

There's a lot of potholes
and things along the way.

You know, not just the failure, but
how can you manage the surprise, right?

Ps Adam: Yeah, that's so helpful.

That's so helpful.

I think that's predetermining your
response, no matter what the surprise.

That comes from that, that engineering,
that framework, architecting your life is

more, less of, and this is probably less
about what you're going to do and more

who you're going to be in the situation.

So if we bring that, that idea of
just be, that's wrong way to frame it.

Determine who you're
going to be as you do.

Who's that person you're going
to be while you're doing the

things you're going to do.

And I think

Arun: that's where, like, when you're a
planner, that's what you can plan, right?

Like, you can plan almost to be Yeah.

Yeah.

Ps Vance: Definitely.

Yeah.

Ps Adam: Like predetermine your response.

Right.

You know what I mean?

Like predetermine how I'm going to
react, how I'm going to respond.

I'm going to be calm.

You know, just have a framework.

Yeah.

And, uh, that's fun to

Arun: build.

I think the instinct could be when you,
when those surprises ruin your plans, you

might be like, Oh, I can't plan anymore.

I just don't know what's going to happen.

But really, if you have this framework
and architect your life, I love this.

This is a great pod.

This is a great pod.

Ps Vance: Hey, if you're listening
to this, why don't you make a new

year's resolution, a new rhythm to
subscribe to the Hype Pod and listen

in because we're talking about faith.

We're talking about innovation
and we hope to continue to

build this community in 2024.

Yeah, and

Arun: share it, please.

Yes, yes, yes.

All right, guys.

God bless.